Rudy's Siberians- Compatible with Kremlin figs?

First, let me say 'thank you!' to Rudy Nelson for all the fascinating alternative army lists he has provided us with of late!

Anyway, on to my questions:

Am I correct in assuming that these lists are generally compatible with the Siberian range by Kremlin Miniatures? The tribal names match some of those mentioned on KM's website, and the figure types seem compatible as well.

Second, Rudy, could you give us any kind of a timeline for these armies? I think we can work out plausible historical opponents ourselves, but I really have little idea what time period these guys existed in. My impression initially was that this would be more suitable for DBR, but then I thought more about it, and realized I was not thinking of when these peoples came into being, but when the Russkies started exterminating them!! So does anyone have any idea how early these lists should go?

Thanks!

P.S. Wooden and reindeer antler armor is cool! And reindeer riders!!

Most of the tribes mentioned are suitable (in my opinion) for DBA since they are descended from well kwown Ancient nations such as the Magyars, Asiatic Huns and Mongols. Yakuts the furtherest north and maybe the most isolated, are mentioned as being '...early 2nd Millienuium tribe..." maybe 1000-1200 AD.

Even in the 1900s Aleut/Eskimo US Army scouts claimed that they could tell the difference between Siberian Eskimos (tribes) and North American tribes by just how they walked.

Sorry to cut it off. i have never seen the Kremlin castings so I could not comment. I will try to check them out.

As i said maybe 1000 AD. The maygar related tribes may be a little earlier but 1000AD due to migration conquests may be a good average.

I would consider them like the North American tribes a Book IV army list.

Originally posted by Ivan:
Am I correct in assuming that these lists are generally compatible with the Siberian range by Kremlin Miniatures? The tribal names match some of those mentioned on KM's website, and the figure types seem compatible as well.

P.S. Wooden and reindeer antler armor is cool! And reindeer riders!!

I agree with that. I've had my eye on those Kremlin Miniatures reindeer riders for awhile now. I just wish I could get enough of my other projects done so I could start another one.

- Jack

I bumped into the guy who runs Kremlin over on the Yahoo 15mm SciFi group. He says that Kremlin will have pictures of the Siberian range back up eventually, but not anytime soon. The reason given was that the original pictures were of masters, not castings. Apparently,he felt it was not 'truth in advertising' compliant to continue to show them, since the masters were 'blobby' compared to the castings.

My guess is that he didn't think the 'blobby' pics were a good advertisement. I thought they looked ok, and it sounds like the castings will look better.

[ December 15, 2004, 20:53: Message edited by: Ivan ]

Thank you Ivan for considering my alternative army lists for your DBA games. I have just finished researching some Southeast Asian history for an article and will see if any new army lists are hidden in the history. Merry Christmas.

Good luck with the lists Rudy! I know we all will want to see them if you discover any gaps that need to be filled!

I've been thinking a bit about Southeast Asia lately too. My wife's family is from Vietnam, so somewhere on my back burner is an idea to give her a Vietnamese DBA army as a not so subtle attempt to get her to play! (She enjoys a lot of boardgames, but so far doesn't want to try miniatures.)

As far as I can tell, not a single company makes Vietnamese figures in any time period suitable for DBA. The closest I have found on some generic 'useful' chinese figures done by Essex. These look a lot like the picture of a "Vietnamese Auxiliary" of the Eastern Han, shown in the Osprey 'Early Imperial Chinese Armies'

Originally posted by Ivan:
As far as I can tell, not a single company makes Vietnamese figures in any time period suitable for DBA. The closest I have found on some generic 'useful' chinese figures done by Essex. These look a lot like the picture of a "Vietnamese Auxiliary" of the Eastern Han, shown in the Osprey 'Early Imperial Chinese Armies'

Outpost at least has some Southeast Asians with it's Burmese and Khmer codes. Vietnam, Burma, Cambodia, Yuan China is an interesting group of enemies.

Cheers,
Richard.

The Med. Vietnam seemed to operate on a European Feudal/Vassal system. A lot of regional noble warlords sending contingents.
It is the earlier era that may have some gaps like Funan and Chenla.