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Old 05-12-2005, 11:56 PM
Cremorn
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Hello all.
I want to translate "world champion" into latin. Below is some help I got from an online dictionary. How best to accurately render this idea into latin? Thanks for any help at all,
Richard.

mundus : world, universe.
nobis : (dat.) us /the world belongs to US.
orbis : world, circle.
orbis terrarum : the world, the Earth.


agonotheta : champion.
campeador : champion of the field, victor
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Old 05-13-2005, 12:18 AM
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Richard,

I've referred this on to one of my friends who was going to do a signature quote style for me.

What I can tell you is that Emperor Frederick II was known as 'Stupor Mundi' which I believe translates to 'Wonder of the World'

Hope that helps

Cheers
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Old 05-13-2005, 04:02 AM
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It's hard to translate latin on a strict word for word basis because there are often several latin words that would translate to a single english word, but have different connotations. For example seclorum means world in 'Novus Ordo Seclorum' (New World Order) and mundi means world in 'Christus Redemptor Mundi' (Christ, Savior of the World)

I'd suggest Laureatus Mundi (crowned with laurels by the world)
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Old 05-13-2005, 07:39 AM
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Victor Mundi
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Old 05-13-2005, 10:49 AM
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Originally posted by Gary Pomeroyq:
For example seclorum means world in 'Novus Ordo Seclorum' (New World Order)
Actually - seclorum (or better saeculorum) is the plural genitive for saecula (age, century). So saeculorum/seclorum means literally "of the ages" or "of the centuries". So Novus Ordo Seclorum means literally "New Order of the Ages".

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Old 05-13-2005, 10:51 AM
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Originally posted by adsarf:
Victor Mundi
Yep - sounds best

K
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Old 05-16-2005, 03:32 AM
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My friend also gave out 'Victor Mundi'

in addition to

Ad gladium dicit, scutum non audiit

(talk to the sword, the sheild isn't listnening)

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Old 05-16-2005, 05:08 AM
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Thanks Macbeth et al.

Victor is winner, so I guess victor mundi is a bit like world-beater, which is appropriate.

Does not agonotheta sound greek? I wonder how it came out in a latin translator?

Does anyone know what you were called if you won a game? So, the person who wins the laurels?

Source writing (in Penguin translation) often mentions "crowns", as in the guy who is first to the top of the wall wins a gold crown. Do you think this may be referring to a laurel wreath?

Cheers,
Richard.
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Old 05-16-2005, 04:48 PM
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Originally posted by Cremorn:
Source writing (in Penguin translation) often mentions "crowns", as in the guy who is first to the top of the wall wins a gold crown. Do you think this may be referring to a laurel wreath?

Cheers,
Richard.
Which sources and when in Roman history? In Early Republican Rome we are often talking literal wreaths of plant material, the rarest and highest honor being the grass crown. Later sometimes, it seems, gold was given. Centurions wore their decorations on a harness, as did some of the standard bearers. In certain periods only certain ranks were allowed to win certain decorations. So the picture is rather complicated and the way you have phrased it, difficult to answer without almost writing a thesis on the subject. So, what are you really asking? In a certain periods the corona muralis ("crown of the wall"), made of gold, was given to the first over the wall of an enemy fortress in an attack (I do not think the lower ranks courld get this one, I think you had to be at least a centurion or standard bearer, but I will have to check my references at home to be sure). Anyway the corona muralis was made to look like town walls and was usually accompanied by a wearable decoration for the harness. I hope this helps.
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Old 05-17-2005, 01:03 AM
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[quote]Originally posted by Bill Sumruld:
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I hope this helps.
It helps a lot and I'm very interested. Initially I was talking about Scipio's time in Spain in the Penguin edition of War with Hannibal by Livy. A couple of times a gold crown is promised to the first on top of the wall. I have to go back and look for the references.

I see that my question is pretty vague, and I will look at the online sources for info. I am looking for an appropriate title for someone who wins a De Bellis Antiquitatis tournament. I wondered if there's something applicable in the prizes and titles awarded by the Roman army.

I found this good dictionary entry at Perseus:
http://tinyurl.com/b84ju

Thanks!

p.s. What is it that Cicero says?

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