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Old 02-17-2012, 03:23 PM
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Hi all
There's a tournament down our way in a week's time, where the theme is 'any army which has littoral home topography'.
If you could choose any of them from the 2.2 lists (and there are about 42, plus sub-lists), which would you go for, and why? Especially interested to hear what the reasoning is behind your preference. e.g. its strength, mobility, flexibility, aggression high/low etc
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Old 02-17-2012, 04:50 PM
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I/56a Kyrenean Greek

Ag.0 Hoplites, 5 Chariots, and a way better cool factor than just another NKE army. If you can embrace the cheese of the 2x2LCh//4Sp they give you a super threat to the enemies camp -- ride up and dismount to assault with a Sp.

If you get terrain, but out a few small-mid sized bad going so that your psiloi have some cover but without giving a lot to an opponent with more bad going troops than you, and this also gives your smallish hoplite line nicely limited open fields if facing off against a bigger spear wall.

But O The Cheese -- historically these were not hoplites in halftracks! The carts were just used operationally to get the hopliltes to the battlefield where they always deployed dismounted.
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I/56a Kyrenean Greek

Ag.0 Hoplites, 5 Chariots, and a way better cool factor than just another NKE army. If you can embrace the cheese of the 2x2LCh//4Sp they give you a super threat to the enemies camp -- ride up and dismount to assault with a Sp.

If you get terrain, but out a few small-mid sized bad going so that your psiloi have some cover but without giving a lot to an opponent with more bad going troops than you, and this also gives your smallish hoplite line nicely limited open fields if facing off against a bigger spear wall.

But O The Cheese -- historically these were not hoplites in halftracks! The carts were just used operationally to get the hopliltes to the battlefield where they always deployed dismounted.
Thanks for that one - would you think being low aggression (like the Kyreneans) is an advantage over high aggression (such as with Norse Vikings) in littoral vs littoral encounters?
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Well, at least for this competition, you know there's going to be a beach in every battle! So on that count, aggression doesn't matter. For some armies, it may not matter at all.

The Kyreneans do benefit from their low agression for controlling the amount of other terrain on the field. They want some bad going for their Psiloi, but not so much as to give an advantage to an opposing bad-going army; and just enough to give their Sp room to fight, but not so much as to give an advantage to a good going loving army.
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Well, at least for this competition, you know there's going to be a beach in every battle! So on that count, aggression doesn't matter. For some armies, it may not matter at all.

The Kyreneans do benefit from their low agression for controlling the amount of other terrain on the field. They want some bad going for their Psiloi, but not so much as to give an advantage to an opposing bad-going army; and just enough to give their Sp room to fight, but not so much as to give an advantage to a good going loving army.
I see your reasoning. When it comes to play sequence, do you think the defender deploying first, thereby 'declaring' any intention of landing, then moving second gives him any advantage over the invader (who has the chance to 'pick sides', so to speak).
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Hmm, good question. I haven't done a lot of littoral v. littoral games. This tourney theme is certainly the scientific laboratory to test that out!
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I ran the Littoral Nightmare Tournament at Recon in 2009 which had this same theme. See details below:

http://tonyaguilar.wordpress.com/200...il-23-26-2009/

Unfortunately, the pictures aren't linking properly.
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Hoplites in half-tracks? Awesome. (Probably more suitable for HoTT, though, eh wot? If I didn't have a million other ideas, I'd take that one for myself.)
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One lesson I learned in the Littoral Landing Lovers event at an HMGS con in the last year is how deadly Psiloi rushes can be. My enemy landed with Psiloi, and multi-moved into contact with my knight general, turning him to leave him without a recoil. Even with horrible odds, I was dead in the first bound without even taking a turn.

Taking the camp as soon as you land is a good job if you can get it (and keep it).

In person, I haven't seen anyone land with Artillery or bows and shoot the enemy in the rear, but it has a lot of potential without much PIP expenditure by your stranded landing party.


So, are you looking for a gimmick or a solid army? Personally I'd rather do well in more games than win 1 with a gimmick.

My first choice is always: out of the options I have, which do I feel like playing the most? I think I chose Leidang (d) in the Littoral event I entered.

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One lesson I learned in the Littoral Landing Lovers event at an HMGS con in the last year is how deadly Psiloi rushes can be. My enemy landed with Psiloi, and multi-moved into contact with my knight general, turning him to leave him without a recoil. Even with horrible odds, I was dead in the first bound without even taking a turn.

Taking the camp as soon as you land is a good job if you can get it (and keep it).

In person, I haven't seen anyone land with Artillery or bows and shoot the enemy in the rear, but it has a lot of potential without much PIP expenditure by your stranded landing party.


So, are you looking for a gimmick or a solid army? Personally I'd rather do well in more games than win 1 with a gimmick.

My first choice is always: out of the options I have, which do I feel like playing the most? I think I chose Leidang (d) in the Littoral event I entered.

Alan
Thanks Alan
Leidang came up in my list of "maybe's" *, too, but I'm not sure if I'd rather be Viking Agg 4....which probably means I pick sides but move first in many games. It's tough to choose all round, and will be a very challenging day. We get 6 games in (it's the Sussex Cup, Chichester, UK), so plenty of chance to test all my mis-placed theories .
Also - Tony, thanks for the link. See the Hawaiians did well in your tourney - another blade heavy choice. Seem to remember that Arnopov, who may be attending, painted up an army of these for a previous PAWS comp, as did Guthroth....so I'll expect at least one of them there. Aloha etc!!
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* my other options include Ugaritic, Minoan, Sea Peoples, Ptolemaic a-d, Late/Early Carthaginians and my daughter's NKE's. Tried Scots-Irish, which were fun but a bit thin on 'solid' troops, if it comes to a stand up fight on a open field.

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