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[Macbeth]

Originally Posted by lkmjbc

My worry is games that bog down into a "I don't dare go into the woods" vs I don't dare come out of the woods.

For armies that feature a spread of troop types, this isn't as much of a problem. Romans can always send in their Ax against the Gauls. For those that are more mono-type, this can be a real issue.

My worries are for Welsh vs Viking, Welsh vs Scots, and Welsh vs Saxons.

Warband have gotten a bit of a bump under 3.0. I wonder if it is too much.

Joe,

A couple of things that should stop your prophesy of doom here.

1) The terrain rules to some degree will stop the Wb player from filling the board with bad going with the attacker being able to choose their end so as to deny Bad Going to the Wb - until I get to see the final rules on terrain as to whether Plough gets to count as one of the bits of Bad Going I would not be prepared to say that the Bd cannot put down a billiard table (the Wb might have to pray for rain).

2) Unless you are saying that the extra fast movement allows flanks to be taken too easily then Wb are not totally vulnerable to Bd out in the open given that they have the rear support and the quick kill

3) Given TZ and command and control constraints Wb in Bad Going can only flank attacking Bd if their commander is stupid enough to send in his troops outnumbered - in which case he deserves what he gets.

And YES - I do think that Wb (and in fact anything that isn't El, Kn, Sp or Bd) could do with a bump under DBA3 - these are the big winners in DBA3

Cheers

[lkmjbc]

MacBeth:

I may be just a worry wort on this. One game does not a trend make...

You are correct about the terrain rules. The game in question did have a large amount of woods in the most advantageous position. Not all games will feature that.

Still, I would like to see Bd and Wb equal in combat in bad going... with the Wb having an advantage in speed.

Now Wb rules the woods.

We are play testing this Tuesday. We will see how Welsh vs Early Vikings works out.

Joe Collins

[lkmjbc]

Originally Posted by david kuijt

Gauls were conquered before the institution of mass quantities of Ax in the Roman army, Joe. Other than maybe an element of mercenary Spanish Scutatoi, the Marian Romans are all Bd.

Yes, should have said the Germans...

Still the point remains. Mono-type Bd armies will have a very difficult time vs Wb. Should this be the case?

Will this lead to "stand offish" games?

Joe Collins