Punic Peril - A distributed DBA campaign

[John Meunier]

I'm looking for six players who are interested in taking part in a a Second Punic War campaign moderated through Fanaticus.

Six powers will compete for dominance:

II/32 Later Carthaginian
II/39a Ancient Spanish
II/11 Gallic
II/33 Polybian Roman
II/8a Bruttian
II/9 Syracusan

Players will be randomly assigned to control one of the six powers. You do not need to own the armies to play. The players will take the role of ruler (tribal chief, king, Senate, etc.) of the power. Players will take conduct diplomacy and control strategic movement of armies.

There are two options for the adjudication of table top battles.

1) Campaign moderator conducts all battles and writes up reports after each.
2) Campaign moderator assigns a player to conduct battles, who then report results.

Option 1 removes any risk of inadvertent bias effecting the outcome of the battle. Option 2 gives players more to do.

If you are interested in playing, please post here.

Here is an example of stupid little campaign map:

https://oncourse.iu.edu/access/content/user/jmeunier/Pics/Punic Peril/Punic.peril.start.jpg

[Paul Potter]

I would like to give it a try. -Paul

[winterbadger]

I'd be interested. As a bonus, I have several of the armies, could paint up the others, and have <strike>dupes</strike> colleagues with whom I could play out the occasional battle (while probably not enough to sustain a campaign on our own just yet).

[John Meunier]

Great!

Two players on and up to four to go.

[Rich Gause]

I would not mind playing and I can field any of the armies except for Bruttian. I do not have regular access to any good local DBA players so I would prefer in the interests of fairness to have somebody else play the battles. If I could get somebody local who is a good player then I would of course not mind doing the battles.

[Walleye]

I'd like to get in the game. I can also play out battles (have or can morph all the armies), although I'd prefer to limit my play to battles where my army is not involved.

[John Meunier]

I'd like to get in the game. I can also play out battles (have or can morph all the armies), although I'd prefer to limit my play to battles where my army is not involved.

My thought is to open up battles to players to allow them to volunteer to run them.

I'd want to give first crack to those who have no direct interest in the outcome and those who have not yet had a chance to play a game. In either case, the player would have to be able to play the game on a 2 or 3 day deadline.

If no volunteers came forward, I'd play it and report the results. I have in-house opponents in college age children who are home for summer, so can organize a game in short order.

[John Meunier]

Players so far:

Paul Potter
Winter Badger
Rich Gause
Walleye

Two more open spots.

[Texus Maximus]

I would like to join in. I have all the armies ready except Bruttian. I ordered a few packs from Old Glory so I should have that one ready in a few weeks. I also have opponents here who can play out the games.

[John Meunier]

Great! You are in.

I'll see if we get one more bite. If not, I'll just set the Spanish or the Bruttians as neutrals.

[Mike Porter]

I'll give it a shot. :up

[John Meunier]

Alright! We have six players.

Sorry to anyone who wanted in but did not get in before the door shut. The good news for you is that you won't have to suffer through the learning curve. If this game goes well, I will probably run it again.

Let me reach into my bag of magic dice and I'll assign powers to each player ...

Carthage - Walleye
Spain - Paul Potter
Gaul - Winter Badger
Rome - Mike Porter
Bruttia - Rich Gause
Syracuse - Texas Maximus

My reading of the rules says we determine who goes first BEFORE you reveal the location of your army. So, I'll determine that as well.

The first player to go is: Rome!

So, here's what we need to do. Look at the map on the first post. Decide where you field army will be. Send me a private message saying where your army will start. Those with armies that have choices about elements, please send me the full list of your 12 elements.

Your first private message to me should also include any declarations of war your nation is making before the Spring turn.

In order to give you some time for some opening diplomacy, I'll set a deadline of three days - Thursday at 6 p.m. Indiana time - for the sending in of your opening location for your army and your declarations of war.

Two requests regarding communication:

1) Feel free to use the forum private messages or off-site e-mail for private communication.

2) In order to capture some of the knowledge that gets shared in a face-to-face game, I'm going to ask that you post in this thread when you "send embassies" to other powers. In other words, when you are engaging in diplomacy, announce, for instance, that Rome has sent ambassadors to Spain. This simulates the knowledge of a face-to-face game when you know who is talking to whom.

Please post here any questions you have.

If the Thursday timeline is too short, let me know and I'll push it back.

The year is 216 BC. May the auspices come back favorable for you.

[Rich Gause]

Embassy sent from Bruttium to Rome.:cool

[Xavi]

Around here we have all the armies except the brutians (that can be proxied anyway), so we would be happy to play some of the battles if you want.

Looks like a cool campaign in any case. Will be following this thread with interest :) If it works well, I might give it a shot in our club to turn casual gaming into something with more meat behind it ;)

Xavi

[winterbadger]

The poor, quiet, peace-loving people of Gaul have sent envoys of goodwill to our neighbours the Spanish and the Romans and, so as not to slight the other great and powerful lords of the Middle Sea, to the cities of Carthage and Syracuse and to the Bruttii, Lords of the Forest Silva.

Bagoftrix
Chief of the Gauls

[John Meunier]

Someone asked a good question in a private message.

It would be helpful to my organization of my PMs if your subject lines include "Punic Peril" in the subject line and also make reference to the game turn they are about.

I'm glad to see activity already.

Xavi, if we need some help with table-top battles, I'll gladly include your group.

[John Meunier]

I just discovered a potential problem with the Fanaticus Private Message system.

It only allows 50 messages to be stored. I think I can manage that by downloading messages as the game goes on. But you might want to keep this in mind as you play.

For the moment, I'm going to keep using the Private Messages, but I may have to move to another system as the game goes on if managing private messages becomes a pain.

For players, it might be good to use e-mail as your diplomacy will likely run more lengthy than your private communications to me.

[winterbadger]

Anyone who wants to reach me by email can use my handle at Gmail dot com.

winterbadger
aka Jan
aka Bagotrix, fearless first sword of the Gallic nation

[Rich Gause]

I can be reached at rg1066@aol.com

[Walleye]

Email me at carthage216bc-punicperil@yahoo.com

Address correspondence to Suffete Hadabal

[Mike Porter]

portertm at gmail.com

Rome has received the embassies from Gaul and Bruttia. Roman embassy sent to the Gauls.

~Athanasius Numerius Calpurnius Ingenuus

[Texus Maximus]

Send e-mail for Syracuse to ppecena at sbcglobal dot net with "Punic Peril" in the subject line please.

[John Meunier]

RULES CLARIFICATION:

The rules are a bit unclear about when you declare war. One reading of the paragraph on page 14 could be interpreted as saying you have to declare war for the entire year before the Spring turn. To me, that limits back-stabbing too much.

For this game, players can declare war at the beginning of each round (Spring, Summer, Autumn). So with your first post to me, please include anyone you wish to declare war upon for the Spring round. You will have an opportunity to issue new declarations in the summer.

Of course, any power that has war declared upon it will be considered to be at war with that power without having to make a formal declaration.

One final note: You cannot send an allied contingent to help attack a nation you are not yourself at war with - unless you are a tributary and required by your overlord to do so.

[John Meunier]

Just a reminder that initial placement of armies and declarations of war for Spring 216 are due tomorrow by 6 p.m.

I will announce the war declarations and then give Rome a chance to take its first action, which may include a public call for allies if appropriate. The peace-loving people of Rome, of course, never start a war unless in self-defense.

[Paul Potter]

I am temporarily without computer at home. I can look at fanaticus during the day at work but I can not log in. at the moment is is probably best to reach me at pgpotter@hotmail.com

Messengers received from Gaul and messengers sent to Gaul.

[Texus Maximus]

Messengers sent to Rome and received from Gaul.

[John Meunier]

I have a set of initial orders from everyone, but will wait to post opening declarations for war and Rome's move until this evening.

If you have any changes in your orders, please send them to me ASAP.

[John Meunier]

Here are the declarations of war for the Spring round of the year 216:

Rome declares war on Syracuse
Bruttia declares war on Syracuse
Spain declares war on Carthage
Syracuse declares war on Bruttia

War status stands as:

Rome: Syracuse
Bruttia: Syracuse
Syracuse: Bruttia and Rome
Carthage: Spain
Spain: Carthage
Gaul: ---

Rome deploys its army to Western Sicily and calls for allies for its invasion of Syracuse.

The Bruttians are the only power able to respond to Rome's call. (You must be at war or a tributary of a nation at war to send an attacking allied contingent.) (Bruttia - I need you to send me the exact composition of your allied contingent via private or public message.)

The Roman field army moves from Western Sicily to Syracuse 2.

At this point, Syracuse could normally call for allies to help it defend, but none of the other field armies in the game are within two movement stages of Syracuse 2 - unless Rome grants them passage through Western Sicily - which I doubt will happen.

So, Syracuse has a choice:

1) Move up your field army to Syracuse 2 to fight.
2) Move up the field army to stand siege.
3) Leave field army where it is and let the city stand siege alone.

Please post your action in this thread.

https://oncourse.iu.edu/access/content/user/jmeunier/Pics/Punic Peril/Punic.Peril.216 1-1.jpg

[Rich Gause]

Which comes first Syracuse deciding what to do or me deciding to assist Rome?

[John Meunier]

My apologies.

You should make your declaration first. (I jumped the gun based on your PM to me.)

Does Bruttia respond as an ally to Rome?

[Rich Gause]

Why yes I send 2 Aux and a Cav to support my allies the Senate and People of Rome...........:cool

[John Meunier]

Why yes I send 2 Aux and a Cav to support my allies the Senate and People of Rome...........:cool

I'll assume the Cv is the allied contingent general, unless you say otherwise.

NOW, Syracuse has a choice to make. Fight or stand siege.

Others players - or spectators - are free to jump in with advice.

[Rich Gause]

Yes Cav General.

[Tony Aguilar]

Others players - or spectators - are free to jump in with advice.

KILL...KILL...KILL...KILL :outrage

[Kontos]

KILL...KILL...KILL...KILL :outrage
Very good, Tony. That's 4 elements and a win. You're learning. :D

[Tony Aguilar]

Very good, Tony. That's 4 elements and a win. You're learning. :D

Yep, what's your excuse? :eek

...should we go get a room now? ;)

[Kontos]

Yep, what's your excuse? :eek

...should we go get a room now? ;)
"Two men enter. One man leaves." - Thunderdome. ;)

[John Meunier]

Map updated. I put the Bruttian field army on the wrong city.

Please note as well, the blog in my signature is a place with some running commentary and scores. I will also post battle reports there.

https://oncourse.iu.edu/access/content/user/jmeunier/Pics/Punic Peril/Punic.Peril.216 1-1.jpg

[Walleye]

Carthage has lavished treasure and talent building up the cities of the Iberes and strenthening their commerce, the lifeblood of any people. And now we are betrayed for a fistful of Roman gold? For shame!

My countrymen, let us not rest until these upstarts have been chastened! If these peoples will not accept the gifts of civilized commerce, then let us instruct them in the arts of war!

- Suffete Hadabal addresses the Gerousia

[Walleye]

Carthage sends envoys to Syracuse.

[Rich Gause]

So far I am having fun. Cmon Syracuse we fighting or are you going to cower in your capitol?:D

[Texus Maximus]

Syracuse calls upon all lovers of freedom throughout the inland sea to fight the Roman and his hirelings who have brought unjust war to this fair island. Help us turn away this despoiler now, for surely these brutes shall ravage your lands at their leisure if Syracuse should fall.

Syracuse gathers her strength for the coming conflict behind the walls of her citadel, watching for mighty Carthage to aid her in her time of need. Oh Carthage! Clothe yourselves in the wrath of Juno and sail to the aid of the sons of Apollo! Oh Poseidon! Close the sea road to the beasts who would war against your people!

(The Syracusan army remains in the capitol. Messengers received and sent to Carthage).

[Rich Gause]

OK who's turn next? And do we wait for the next turn until battles and seiges are resolved or do we do everyones turn and then resolve the battles?

[John Meunier]

OK who's turn next? And do we wait for the next turn until battles and seiges are resolved or do we do everyones turn and then resolve the battles?

Hey, hey, hey. Let's have a little appreciation for the lovely post by the king of Syracuse.

Bravo.

<respectful pause>

Okay. I rolled the die, the siege did not succeed this season. Rome may continue it next round if it chooses. (It will succeed on a 4-6 if it maintains the siege in the summer.) The Roman army must move 1 element to its reserve as a consequence of the unsuccessful siege operations.

The Bruttian allied contingent remains with the Roman army. It suffers no losses.

It is now the Bruttian turn - moving clockwise around the map - but since it sent an allied contingent, the Bruttian army may not attack. It may move.

After the Bruttian move or non-action, it will be Syracuse, Carthage, Spain, and Gaul. Then we go to Summer.

[Xavi]

Turn 2 Recap:
Time for the carthos to stop ranting and do something about the Spanish. Or help their friends in syracuse. or take advantage of the turmoil qand put a foot in sicily?

"Peace-loving gauls" is a total alien concept to me. Toutates trembles in shame :P

We, the peaceful spectators would like you all to come to blows and spill rivers of blood. Just for your information ;)

Cheers,
Xavi

[Walleye]

Xavi,

It appears we are all doing our best to accomodate you. Grab some snacks, blow your vuvuzela, and give us a few minutes to get together.

Can we all six face outward and shoot at the spectators first? They won't shoot back....

[Kontos]

Peanuts! Get yer peanuts here! Bag o' nuts!

Ice cold beer here. Ice cold beer!

Programs! Programs here!

Might as well make a buck or two running a concession. :D

Frank

[John Meunier]

OK who's turn next? And do we wait for the next turn until battles and seiges are resolved or do we do everyones turn and then resolve the battles?

My reading of the rules is that we resolve battles and sieges in the turn of the player who starts them. So, the siege of Syracuse 2 is rolled for before the next player takes action.

It is now your turn, Rich. Do you move your army or sit in place?

[Rich Gause]

My reading of the rules is that we resolve battles and sieges in the turn of the player who starts them. So, the siege of Syracuse 2 is rolled for before the next player takes action.

It is now your turn, Rich. Do you move your army or sit in place?
I move, is the location secret or public? If public please announce it for me from the PM I will send in 2 minutes.

[John Meunier]

Moves are public.

The Bruttian army intends to march to Rome 2.

Does the Roman player grant permission for the Bruttian army to pass Rome 1 on its way to Rome 2?

[Rich Gause]

Syracuse calls upon all lovers of freedom throughout the inland sea to fight the Roman and his hirelings who have brought unjust war to this fair island. Help us turn away this despoiler now, for surely these brutes shall ravage your lands at their leisure if Syracuse should fall.

Syracuse gathers her strength for the coming conflict behind the walls of her citadel, watching for mighty Carthage to aid her in her time of need. Oh Carthage! Clothe yourselves in the wrath of Juno and sail to the aid of the sons of Apollo! Oh Poseidon! Close the sea road to the beasts who would war against your people!

(The Syracusan army remains in the capitol. Messengers received and sent to Carthage).

Bruttia declares that this is a defensive war to protect the freedom loving peoples of Italy from the unprovoked agrression by the treacherous Greeks of Syracuse. Remember that Syracuse declared war on Bruttia and were it not for the preemptive attack by our stalwart Roman ally the Syracusan bandits would even now be trampling the crops in the sacred Bruttian fields. The Phonecian merchants should tend to their commerce and their own troubles with Spain and be very wary of being enticed into foolish action by the honeyed tounge of the Tyrant of Syracuse.

[Texus Maximus]

That was good. I like your signature line, I just now noticed it and laughed out loud at work.

Furthermore, it is my opinion that Rome and Bruttia must be destroyed.

[Walleye]

Envoys sent to Syracuse to discuss mutual interests.

Envoys sent to Gaul, along with a gift of several Italian slaves for King Bagotrix' amusement.

[Rich Gause]

That was good. I like your signature line, I just now noticed it and laughed out loud at work.

Furthermore, it is my opinion that Rome and Bruttia must be destroyed.

Syracuse Delende Est? Or something like that.......

[Rich Gause]

Moves are public.

The Bruttian army intends to march to Rome 2.

Does the Roman player grant permission for the Bruttian army to pass Rome 1 on its way to Rome 2?

I think Rome mentioned that he only had internet at work so we might be stuck for the weekend. He told me I could but he could always change his mind I suppose. Rather than wait til Monday maybe we could continue with the understanding that Bruttia is either in Rome 1 or Rome 2 I don't think it matters that much? Maybe for future reference we could try to give approval or even disapproval in advance for things that are planned with our allies in our orders to the GM so that the game goes faster.........

Another thing to think about is how many people besides me are going to Historicon? I will be unavailable from 7/5-7/12.

[winterbadger]

Moves are public.

The Bruttian army intends to march to Rome 2.

Does the Roman player grant permission for the Bruttian army to pass Rome 1 on its way to Rome 2?

Merde alors! Why is the Bruttian army marching towards our border? Have they decoyed their Roman allies into an unprovoked war against Syracuse and now seek to feather their nest from the wings of our Gallic eagles?

Beware, Sons of the Forest Silva! The Gallic Cock has sharp spurs! Any depredations upon our Cisalpine brethren shall receive the severest punition. Hie thee back to thy rustic Calabrian hillsides and seek not an untimely end in the foreign lands of the north.

I, Bagotrix, Chief of All Gaul, have spoken!

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[John Meunier]

I think Rome mentioned that he only had internet at work so we might be stuck for the weekend. He told me I could but he could always change his mind I suppose. Rather than wait til Monday maybe we could continue with the understanding that Bruttia is either in Rome 1 or Rome 2 I don't think it matters that much? Maybe for future reference we could try to give approval or even disapproval in advance for things that are planned with our allies in our orders to the GM so that the game goes faster.........

Another thing to think about is how many people besides me are going to Historicon? I will be unavailable from 7/5-7/12.

Good idea, Rich. So it shall be.

Have a great time at Historicon.

[John Meunier]

Taking Rich's excellent advice, we will move on and let Syracuse take an action/turn.

Depending on what Syracuse does, Carthage is up next.

[Kontos]

Merde alors! Why is the Bruttian army marching towards our border? Have they decoyed their Roman allies into an unprovoked war against Syracuse and now seek to feather their nest from the wings of our Gallic eagles?

Beware, Sons of the Forest Silva! The Gallic Cock has sharp spurs! Any depredations upon our Cisalpine brethren shall receive the severest punition. Hie thee back to thy rustic Calabrian hillsides and seek not an untimely end in the foreign lands of the north.

I, Bagotrix, Chief of All Gaul, have spoken!

http://www.asterix-international.de/asterix/pics/characters/abraracourcix.gif
Bagotrix? Don't you mean Bagodonuts? :D

[winterbadger]

Bagotrix? Don't you mean Bagodonuts? :D

You should watch out, mon frere. You never know when a menhir might accidentally tip over just when you're passing by...

[Mike Porter]

Rome grants the Bruttians passage through Roman territory. We shall also continue our siege. Now back to the wine...

Sorry for the delay, guys. I was doing some travelling and didn't have time to get back to check our progress.

I'll be at Historicon as well.

[John Meunier]

Rome grants the Bruttians passage through Roman territory. We shall also continue our siege. Now back to the wine...

Sorry for the delay, guys. I was doing some travelling and didn't have time to get back to check our progress.

I'll be at Historicon as well.

No problem, Mike. I'll update the map. Please let me know which element you are moving to reserve as a result of the siege.

Syracuse, you are up!

[John Meunier]

https://oncourse.iu.edu/access/content/user/jmeunier/Pics/Punic Peril/Punic.Peril.216.2.jpg

[Walleye]

Great King Bagotrix, your concerns are well-placed. Unlike peace-loving peoples, the Latins dream of dominating all their neighbors, until the whole world is under the hob-nailed Roman sandal. Do not the Romans themselves call the lands they stole from your fathers "Cisalpine Gaul" shamelessly making no pretense to deny their theft? Beware, guard yourself well. Fear, too, their Spanish lackeys, who would be the anvil for the Roman hammer. In these dark times, those who love peace must work together against the despots.

(Aside: Will the Gallic army feature a 2Wb stand with Asterix and Obelix?)

[Walleye]

Envoys sent to Spain.

[Texus Maximus]

The Tyrant of Syracuse and the elderly Archimedes can be seen conferring on the great walls which encircle the city of Syracuse. Little can be heard outside the walls, except the sounds of machines being built.

(Syracuse does not move this turn)

[John Meunier]

The Tyrant of Syracuse and the elderly Archimedes can be seen conferring on the great walls which encircle the city of Syracuse. Little can be heard outside the walls, except the sounds of machines being built.

(Syracuse does not move this turn)

This is where some special home-brew rules would be cool. Oh well.

Carthage! Your turn!

[Walleye]

The envoys to the Iberes have returned home without receiving an audience.

Having heard that the Spanish Mediteranean coast is balmy in the Spring, Hadabal takes the Carthaginian army across the Pillars of Hercules to Sp2.

[John Meunier]

The envoys to the Iberes have returned home without receiving an audience.

Having heard that the Spanish Mediteranean coast is balmy in the Spring, Hadabal takes the Carthaginian army across the Pillars of Hercules to Sp2.

Spain may call for allies before deciding whether to move up its army to Spain 2 or stand siege.

The Bruttians and/or Gaul could send a contingent if Rome permits passage through Western Sicily.

[Rich Gause]

Spain may call for allies before deciding whether to move up its army to Spain 2 or stand siege.

The Bruttians and/or Gaul could send a contingent if Rome permits passage through Western Sicily.

I will send a contingent if Spain wants to fight, and Rome allows it, 2 Aux and a psiloi.

[Xavi]

Bruttians: the NGO of Punic Peril :D

I can see ellies crashing through the forest....

Xavi

[Paul Potter]

Spain may call for allies before deciding whether to move up its army to Spain 2 or stand siege.

The Bruttians and/or Gaul could send a contingent if Rome permits passage through Western Sicily.

Spanish Army moves to S2. Lets fight.

[Rich Gause]

Bruttians: the NGO of Punic Peril :D

I can see ellies crashing through the forest....

Xavi

Paul sold me a nice Marian army....... I can at least help him out a little.

[John Meunier]

Spanish Army moves to S2. Lets fight.

I interpret this as a decision not to call for allies.

We have a battle.

Spain (1 3Cv, 1 2LH, 6 3Ax, 4 2 Ps) vs. Later Carthage (2 3Cv, 2 2LH, 3 4Sp, 1 4Ax, 2 3 Wb, 2 2Ps).

Spain will defend.

Do we have any volunteers to fight and document this battle?

We will need at least a written report of the battle. Pictures would be great as well. Opponent must be a live human. No solo games.

If we have several volunteers, I will select someone to run it.

If we have no volunteers, I will run it myself.

[Kontos]

Not this fight. No armies. I'll watch for those I can to help out.

Frank

[Texus Maximus]

Perhaps Xavi could play this battle. That way the battle in Spain would actually be resolved in Spain.

[Xavi]

If you can wait until wednesday, I can try to arrange a game. Both armies are in my closet at the club, so no problem here. But of course, up to the umpire here, since I offered our group just in case you needed us, not to be the all playing group around! :P

Cheers,
Xavi

[John Meunier]

I think I can arrange to do a battle tomorrow, so I'll go ahead and run this first one.

I plan on taking Xavi and his group up on their offer down the road though.

[Jeff Caruso]

John,

I have both Spanish and Carthaginian armies and can probably call on a retired teacher or two who play DBA to fight this battle, if your plans don't work out. As someone else mentioned, Bruttians are the only unrepresented folks in this period for me as well.

Will the Carthaginian General be crucufied if he loses the battle?

Jeff

[winterbadger]

Will the Carthaginian General be crucified if he loses the battle?

Jeff

I would have thought trampled, but these Carthos don't seem to have any elephants/

[Walleye]

Crucified? Trampled? No, indeed! We are a civilized nation!

He will be impaled.

Of course, he can choose his own stake from our extensive collection. We even allow alterations for a custom fit.

[Rich Gause]

I would have thought trampled, but these Carthos don't seem to have any elephants/

Maybe they were concerned about the secret anti-elephant tactics used by the Spanish and Bruttians.................

[John Meunier]

John,

I have both Spanish and Carthaginian armies and can probably call on a retired teacher or two who play DBA to fight this battle, if your plans don't work out. As someone else mentioned, Bruttians are the only unrepresented folks in this period for me as well.

Will the Carthaginian General be crucufied if he loses the battle?

Jeff

Jeff, could you get a battle together in the next day or so?

[Jeff Caruso]

Jeff, could you get a battle together in the next day or so?

I just put a message out to the locals. Let you know ASAP.

Jeff

[Walleye]

On the eve of the battle, Punic heralds ride across to the Iberian camp.

[Jeff Caruso]

On the eve of the battle, Punic heralds ride across to the Iberian camp.

They better be willing to surrender. Game is on for 7PM today. :)

Jeff

[Jeff Caruso]

Spain (1 3Cv, 1 2LH, 6 3Ax, 4 2 Ps) vs. Later Carthage (2 3Cv, 2 2LH, 3 4Sp, 1 4Ax, 2 3 Wb, 2 2Ps).

No allies for either side? Mr. Potter any comments. I'll assume the Spanish and Carthage will go to Nate Forte, who stepped forward to play. Will photograph the game and write it up. Wish I had "n"'s skills at AAR's graphics.

Jeff

[Rich Gause]

A quick note to people playing the battles remember it is a campaign game, this means that the onus is on the attacker to win the battle, if he wins he gets control of the area. The defender retains control of the area with a win or a draw. Defenders especially shouldn't take foolish chances to try to "finish" the battle, sure you get more prestige for winning, but it is not like a standard DBA game where there are no consequences for losing or a draw is no better than a loss. Attackers probably wouldn't want their army to commit suicide for a small chance of victory either. Both sides lose elements lost and have to rebuild them later and too high of losses can leave somebody easy pickings for other players. Obviously this is just my opinion and others may feel differently but I just wanted to bring it up in case anybody forgot to mention it when their army is involved in a battle.

[Paul Potter]

On the eve of the battle, Punic heralds ride across to the Iberian camp.

Punic heralds wined and dined and sent home with a lecture about the evils of their aggressive behavior.

[Paul Potter]

Spain (1 3Cv, 1 2LH, 6 3Ax, 4 2 Ps) vs. Later Carthage (2 3Cv, 2 2LH, 3 4Sp, 1 4Ax, 2 3 Wb, 2 2Ps).

Mr. Potter any comments.
Jeff

Make em come into the bad going and defeat them there.

[Walleye]

Punic heralds wined and dined and sent home with a lecture about the evils of their aggressive behavior.

In Carthage, we consider a declaration of war to be downright un-neighborly, let alone "aggressive behavior." If the Iberes did not wish a fight, they should not have allowed the Romans and their clients to sweet-talk them into starting one.

- Hadabal

[Paul Potter]

In Carthage, we consider a declaration of war to be downright un-neighborly, let alone "aggressive behavior." If the Iberes did not wish a fight, they should not have allowed the Romans and their clients to sweet-talk them into starting one.

- Hadabal
declaration of War? I'm confused.

[winterbadger]

declaration of War? I'm confused.

I think he was referring to John's post at the start of the turn that declared:

Here are the declarations of war for the Spring round of the year 216:

Rome declares war on Syracuse
Bruttia declares war on Syracuse
Spain declares war on Carthage
Syracuse declares war on Bruttia

Had you not intended to declare war on Carthage?

(Or am I being very dim? :??? )

[Walleye]

declaration of War? I'm confused.

Here are the declarations of war for the Spring round of the year 216:

Rome declares war on Syracuse
Bruttia declares war on Syracuse
Spain declares war on Carthage
Syracuse declares war on Bruttia

War status stands as:

Rome: Syracuse
Bruttia: Syracuse
Syracuse: Bruttia and Rome
Carthage: Spain
Spain: Carthage
Gaul: ---



The envoys bore bona fides from the King of the Iberes. Were they not yours? Has a deception been perpetrated?

- Hadabal

[Mike Porter]

If the Iberes did not wish a fight, they should not have allowed the Romans and their clients to sweet-talk them into starting one.

- Hadabal

Hehe...confusion abounds.

SPQR

[Jeff Caruso]

The envoys bore bona fides from the King of the Iberes. Were they not yours? Has a deception been perpetrated?

- Hadabal

There is no confusion in the Spanish camp. We are marching out as the scribe writes this.

Jeff

[John Meunier]

Spain (1 3Cv, 1 2LH, 6 3Ax, 4 2 Ps) vs. Later Carthage (2 3Cv, 2 2LH, 3 4Sp, 1 4Ax, 2 3 Wb, 2 2Ps).

No allies for either side? Mr. Potter any comments. I'll assume the Spanish and Carthage will go to Nate Forte, who stepped forward to play. Will photograph the game and write it up. Wish I had "n"'s skills at AAR's graphics.

Jeff

Fabulous.

No allies.

In response to something Rich wrote: He gives good insight, although I'm at a loss to see how there could be a draw. I think we have a binary state here: win/lose.

I do see how one side could "throw" a battle. An army could march 4 elements off the battlefield edge and thereby "lose" the battle. But the elements would all come back in the next turn of the campaign. Not that I'm suggesting a strategy for anyone.

[Paul Potter]

There is no confusion in the Spanish camp. We are marching out as the scribe writes this.

Jeff

Do us proud Jeff, We were attacked under false pretense. Show the Africans what horrors live in the wooded hills of Spain.

[Walleye]

You chose to make war on your neighbor. Don't be surprised to find yourself fighting in your own house.

- Hadabal

[Jeff Caruso]

Mea Culpa. I forgot the sim card for my camera. :(
From the Spanish baseline (figure 6 o'clock) there was a line of two steep hills running from roughly 4 o'clock to 10 o'clock. Two woods, one to the left and one to the right, roughly small ovals. A road running up the left flank of the Spanish through the woods and skirting the hill to the left. A small open area in the center of the battlefield.

Spanish deployed with their LH on the road behind the woods on the left, with the 4 Ps in column to their right. Cav(Gen) to the right of PS. 2Ax to his left and the remaining 4 Ax in column oon the other hill on their right.

Carthos two LH facing to their right in column. On the hill, two Wb with the 4Ax(Carthaginian) to their left. 3x4Sp,Carthaginian Citizen Spear, to their left and 2x2Ps on their flank. Cav(Gen) and Cartaginian Noble Horse(1x3Cav) in reserve.

1st turn Carthos advance LH going behind and then down their right flank, putting the hill between them and the Gen. Rest of Army advances.

1st turn Spanish LH advances through woods on road, column of 4 Ps advances through woods to come out on other side. (3 pips in all)

2nd turn Cartho rolls a 6. LH get to move and form a line, two abreast. Wb and Sp advance, constricted by hill.

2nd turn Span Ax move up in column, down the hill they deployed on and moving to the woods to their front. Rest of army stands fast.

3rd turn Carthos move Wb forward and Ax. Span move Ps forward to try to get between the Wb and Numidian LH.

From there, the movement pips were low for both sides but gradually the Numidian LH attacked the Sp LH, recoiling them. Spanish were able to get 1-1 with their LH, supported by ps against the two Numidian LH. Draw. On the Spanish RF the Ax column advanced into the woods when they were surprised by two Numidian Ps and recoiled.

The 1-1 battle went against the 1st Numidian LH and they were destroyed, the Sp LH sliding over to attack the 2nd Numidian LH while the Spanish Ps attacked from the rear. Death to 2nd Numidian Lh. On the Spanish RF, the Spanish Ax advanced on the numidian Ps, killing one and recoiling the other. The Cartho spear advancing with the contested woods on their RF.

Game over at 4-0. A satisfying 1st game.

The Carthos had no Spanish Mercenaires or Gauls and fielded a Carthaginian force supported by Numidian Mercenary LH and Ps. They suffered the brunt of the fighting and the losses.

Apologies for no pictures.

Jeff

[Macbeth]

In response to something Rich wrote: He gives good insight, although I'm at a loss to see how there could be a draw. I think we have a binary state here: win/lose.

I do see how one side could "throw" a battle. An army could march 4 elements off the battlefield edge and thereby "lose" the battle. But the elements would all come back in the next turn of the campaign. Not that I'm suggesting a strategy for anyone.

Just a suggestion John but you have to watch out for this John. Currently in "The Stormin Normans" the Duchy of Normandy has invaded Norway and Wales only to find the enemy defenders sitting pretty in very defensive Bad Going. Naturally if they attack me there will be a billiard table so that Bd and Wb get ridden down by Kn.

If you insist on the invader launching a suicide attack you will find fewer armies will risk an invasion. If you award prestige for defenders if the attacker "commits suicide" by marching 4 elements off the field (not sure if that is legal BTW ;) ) then you will give the defender more incentive to play this way. :D

We have been allowing the invader to withdraw when this sort of impasse arises with neither side getting extra prestige.

Cheers

[John Meunier]

Just a suggestion John but you have to watch out for this John.

Thank you for the suggestion.

I think this is a good rule, although a bit hard to use in the way we are running battles for this game.

[John Meunier]

Game over at 4-0. A satisfying 1st game.



I have a feeling the Carthaginian player will not have the same feeling about the result. :)

Was the 4th element lost a Spear? (I read it 2 2LH, 1 2Ps, and 1 4 Sp)

Sounds like the Carthaginian general advanced into some bad positions against a light army. He will be summarily executed.

[John Meunier]

From the Spanish baseline (figure 6 o'clock) there was a line of two steep hills running from roughly 4 o'clock to 10 o'clock. Two woods, one to the left and one to the right, roughly small ovals. A road running up the left flank of the Spanish through the woods and skirting the hill to the left. A small open area in the center of the battlefield.




Wait a second. Please help me understand this.

This does not sound like a legal terrain set up to me. How can an arable army have 4 bad going (2 hills and 2 woods)?

I need to clarify before we move on to the next player's turn.

[Xavi]

It is not legal for an arable army.

Quite a trouncing there!!

Xavi

[winterbadger]

Sounds like someone used the (b) list, which has the same troops as (a) but is Hilly (in which 2 SH, 2 Wd, and 1 Rd would be legal).

[Walleye]

Spain (1 3Cv, 1 2LH, 6 3Ax, 4 2 Ps) vs. Later Carthage (2 3Cv, 2 2LH, 3 4Sp, 1 4Ax, 2 3 Wb, 2 2Ps).

DBA, Ver 2.2, page 32:

II/39 Ancient Spanish, 240BC-20BC
Arable if a) or c), Hilly if b)
a) Iberian: 1x3Cv (Gen), 1x2LH, 6x3Ax, 4x2Ps
b) Celtiberian: 1x3Cv (Gen), 1x2LH, 6x3Wb, 4x2Ps
c) Lusitanian: 1x3Cv (Gen), 1x2LH, 3x3Ax, 6x2Ps 1x3Wb or 4Bd or 2Ps

If the b) list was used, where were the 6x3Wb? The army used only complies with the a) list, which should use Arable terrain.

Can someone clarify this, please?:???

[John Meunier]

I had to double check my DBA rules to make sure I was correct.

Jeff, thank you for running the battle, but I'm going to have to invalidate the results.

Xavi, would your club be able to re-run the battle?

[Xavi]

Yes. I can do that on Friday. However, do you think it is really necessary? It is a minor mistake. it was important for sure, but does it deserve to stop the campaign process?

If you decide to rerun it, we will do it.

Cheers,
Xavi

[winterbadger]

DBA, Ver 2.2, page 32:

If the b) list was used, where were the 6x3Wb? The army used only complies with the a) list, which should use Arable terrain.

Can someone clarify this, please?:???

Mmm, good point, my eye skimmed down the lists and saw 6x and didn't go further. In my defense, it's still early (for me), and I've not had my morning exercise or (more importantly) coffee.

In any case, my guess remains that someone saw the "Hilly" in the army list and just applied it to the wrong army.

[John Meunier]

Yes. I can do that on Friday. However, do you think it is really necessary? It is a minor mistake. it was important for sure, but does it deserve to stop the campaign process?

If you decide to rerun it, we will do it.

Cheers,
Xavi

I absolutely do not think it was an intentional mistake. Innocent and accidental.

But I don't see how it is fair to saddle Carthage with a 0-4 loss when the terrain was not legal.

If I had run the game myself, I would have invalidated the result if someone had pointed out to me afterward that I had made that mistake.

[John Meunier]

In any case, my guess remains that someone saw the "Hilly" in the army list and just applied it to the wrong army.

My guess, too. I have no doubt it was an innocent error.

[Kontos]

Execute Jeff Caruso as an example to all that we will not tolerate mistakes. It is a tough world that we live in. Just my 2 sisterces and besides, Jeff's execution will please the masses. :D

Frank

[winterbadger]

Execute Jeff Caruso as an example to all that we will not tolerate mistakes. It is a tough world that we live in. Just my 2 sisterces and besides, Jeff's execution will please the masses. :D

Frank

Your sisters and Jeff will... what...? :silly

[Paul Potter]

Jeff, thank you for running the battle, but I'm going to have to invalidate the results.



John, I do support your decision.
Jeff, thanks for the heroic Effort.
Xavi, Show em what a spanish army can do!

[Xavi]

Gorgoroth is our mountain goat around here, so he is likely to be the general kicking my cartho ass, though ;)

Xavi

[David Kuijt]

Execute Jeff Caruso as an example to all that we will not tolerate mistakes. It is a tough world that we live in. Just my 2 sisterces and besides, Jeff's execution will please the masses. :D


As a long-time friend of Jeff Caruso, I have to agree.

Plus it would encourage your later generals to adhere more rigorously to the rules.

[Jeff Caruso]

My guess, too. I have no doubt it was an innocent error.

Had to check the rule book myself. I added an extra wood or steep hill. Guilty. It was an Arable board for "a" impacted by the fog of war. :D

Jeff

[Walleye]

This occurence seems to have caused quite a furor. Perhaps it would be better to let the result stand and move on. The unexpected frequently happens in war.

[Kontos]

This occurence seems to have caused quite a furor. Perhaps it would be better to let the result stand and move on. The unexpected frequently happens in war.
Furor? No furor. Jeff's execution solves all that easily. :up

Frank

[Walleye]

In Carthage, we execute the losing general.:???

[Jeff Caruso]

This occurence seems to have caused quite a furor. Perhaps it would be better to let the result stand and move on. The unexpected frequently happens in war.

Not a problem as far as I'm concerned. My mistake. :)

Jeff

[Pthomas]

Tough crowd! Clearly Roman!

[Xavi]

Naaaah. Just bloodthirsty :D

Xavi

[John Meunier]

I'm on the road the next day or so.

I'm leaving the game replay up to Xavi.

If Jeff turns up dead I want it known that I did not endorse that idea. I want him available to play games for us later.

[Xavi]

Game replayed. Tomorrow I will post the report with pictures. The carthops went down losing 4-0. Elements lost: 2 Ps, 1 Ax, 1 LH. Heroes of the day: 2 Spanish Ps.

Best combat outcome of the day: 8 vs 0 (double overlapped LH vs Ps in forest)

[John Meunier]

Game replayed. Tomorrow I will post the report with pictures. The carthops went down losing 4-0. Elements lost: 2 Ps, 1 Ax, 1 LH. Heroes of the day: 2 Spanish Ps.

Best combat outcome of the day: 8 vs 0 (double overlapped LH vs Ps in forest)

We look forward to the report.

Two battles. Same result both times. Those Spanish are tough.

[John Meunier]

While we wait for the full battle report, here is the updated map.

Spain's move is next.

https://oncourse.iu.edu/access/content/user/jmeunier/Pics/Punic Peril/Punic.peril.216.4.jpg

[Xavi]

DBA Punic Peril Report

Carthaginians vs Iberians.
The Iberians defend
As demanded by the Punic Peril thread, the Carthaginians do not use any elephants.


The first thing we had to deal with was the fact that I have lost my key to my club closet. As such we didn’t have access to the armies, so had to improvise. Sorry for the lack of proper miniatures being used. The terrain is stored in the same place, so we improvised some cutting down some brown fabric we had around.

Anyway, I had brought my Gauls of the terrifying Crenshaw tribe. Those added some colour to their shields and pretended to be Spanish for a while. The army of Paul Pottermnos, the true ruler of Byzantium exiled in Trebizond, and some Greeks loaned to him by Big Alex decided to play the role of the Carthaginians.

This ended up being a rather weird battle. Neither of us had used any of those armies consistently before, so we did quite a few major mistakes as anyone doing a critical reading of the action can tell. But hey, so is life. Do not expect to see Hannibal-like manoeuvres here.

The terrain was 2 bad going hills and a forest (upper left piece of terrain). The Spanish deployed most of their troops in a position to contest the right hill. Finally the battle was not fought there, but that was the original idea.

(Marc, deploying his dudes)
http://i180.photobucket.com/albums/x181/xrequejo/DBA/Punci%20Peril%20T1/IMG_0398.jpg

Start of battle
http://i180.photobucket.com/albums/x181/xrequejo/DBA/Punci%20Peril%20T1/IMG_0399.jpg


The carthos advanced to contest that same hill, and moved some troops around the other flank to challenge the Spanish control of the BGo. The pair of LH eyed the Iberian camp with hungry eyes.


In the first Spanish turn, I rolled a 6. Since I had a column of 2 Ps, I *had* to do a Psiloi assault. I had not done one in 6 months or so, and we have always liked such berserker assaults :D They tend to end uypo badly, but they are FUN! I calculated that they would be able to deal with 1 or 2 elements in the forest before dying, enough to grant me control of that area of the field not overinvesting in it. Enough for me.

And so they launched the assault. The Ax was their victim, and fell to the 2 Ps elements in one round of combat. FIRST BLOOD!
http://i180.photobucket.com/albums/x181/xrequejo/DBA/Punci%20Peril%20T1/IMG_0400.jpg

[Xavi]

The Carthaginians countered deploying their own psilois, and broinging LH and Cv elements to provide support. The Spanish continue their advance. However, the Carthaginians reach the hill crest (with Sp & Wb) before they are in position to dispute it. DOH!
http://i180.photobucket.com/albums/x181/xrequejo/DBA/Punci%20Peril%20T1/IMG_0401.jpg

The engagement in the forest between the 4 Ps elements does not reach any conclusive results. The Iberian general approaches the action, since the trees were preventing the Psilois from understanding him at such a distance.

The Spanish Ax start scaling the hill while being taunted by the Carthaginian troops.
http://i180.photobucket.com/albums/x181/xrequejo/DBA/Punci%20Peril%20T1/IMG_0403.jpg

Finally the second victim in the forest is another Carthaginian element: a Psiloi. Quite lucky rolling here, since the Spanish ps could not recoil die to the LH lurking around them….
http://i180.photobucket.com/albums/x181/xrequejo/DBA/Punci%20Peril%20T1/IMG_0404.jpg


The Ax keep escaling the hill and deploy before contact with the enemy.
http://i180.photobucket.com/albums/x181/xrequejo/DBA/Punci%20Peril%20T1/IMG_0405.jpg

[Xavi]

The Spanish mounted and the 2 Ax of the left hill enter the action and prepare to attack the lurking LH element. The Carthaginians need a few PIPs and can hope to screw the Spanish….. but they roll a ONE!!! Looking at the difficult situation, a LH element runs for the border of the game area, but does not reach it.
http://i180.photobucket.com/albums/x181/xrequejo/DBA/Punci%20Peril%20T1/IMG_0406.jpg

In the last Spanish turn, the ZOC-ed Ps attacks the LH. The Spanish general and an Ax element help him, to reach a final kill result of 8 vs 1. 4-0 for the Spanish. Iberia remains safe from Africna influence.
http://i180.photobucket.com/albums/x181/xrequejo/DBA/Punci%20Peril%20T1/IMG_0407.jpg

Cheers,
Xavi

[John Meunier]

Thank you for the report, Xavi!

That initial Ps-charge set the tone and tempo for the whole game it looks like. Aggression pays off for the Spanish.

[Walleye]

Xavi,

Thanks - :eek - for playing out the battle. Nice pics.

4-0! Uff da!

Arrangements are in progress for a suitable homecoming reception for the Carthaginian general.

Meanwhile, Hadabal is busy transferring funds to his Helvetian bank account.

[winterbadger]

Meanwhile, Hadabal is busy transferring funds to his Helvetian bank account.

If the Suffette is transferring funds to the Helvetii, we will be glad to receive them. :-)

Bagotrix
Lord of All the Gauls

[Walleye]

Unfortunately, by long-standing tradition the Helvetian bankers are unable to confirm or deny the existence of such an account.;)

[winterbadger]

Unfortunately, by long-standing tradition the Helvetian bankers are unable to confirm or deny the existence of such an account.;)

Erm, only making the point that the Helvetii are, well, Gauls. So if you're sending your money to us, I thank you for it. Otherwise, the mighty lords of Carthage probably want to find some place a little closer to home to store their funds. :K

[Walleye]

Hadabal may be most interested in putting his money - and his hide - in a place which would be safe from the wrath of his fellow-countrymen. Of course, we are talking about his own private money, which he has amassed through careful husbanding of his modest Suffete's salary. Certainly not public funds. Never. Of course not.

How is the weather in Gaul this time of year? And do you know of a real-estate agent who might arrange the purchase of a modest sea-side retirement villa?

On second thought, something inland might offer more peace-of-mind for a former Carthaginian head of state.:rolleyes Perhaps at some small town on the Sequana?

[Xavi]

Trying to avoid the littoral danger, eh? :P

Xavi

[John Meunier]

I believe the Helvetti come from the place we now call Switzerland - Swiss bank account.

[Xavi]

Indeed. But they were gauls, hence the onversation ;) The battle against the Helvetti was the first battle of the conquest of Gaul by Julius Caesar. They were migtrating to better places in the south of Gaul, and the romans said "no way" and sent them packing back to the place where they came from. Except that they were some 60,000 less in number or so. Or so our Roman sources tell us.

Cheers,
Xavi

[winterbadger]

I believe the Helvetti come from the place we now call Switzerland - Swiss bank account.

Horse, dead, quite beaten.

Yes, they were a group of Celtic tribes, the easternmost of the Gallic peoples, who moved into the area that is now Switzerland from the Rhineland probably around the time of the Second Punic War. About 50 years after the Third Punic War, they participated in defeats of the Romans by a Germano-Gallic army in which the Romans were not only beaten but humiliated. A shame that Julius Caesar used as part of the justification for intervening in a Gallic war that involved the Helvetii and taking that opportunity to springboard into a full-scale invasion of Gaul.

Walleye was trying to make a small joke by ascribing the modern practices of Swiss banking to the Helvetii. I was trying to extend the joke by pointing out that the Helvetii were Gauls, so if Carthage was sending its money to the Helvetii, it was sending it, in effect, to me.

:eek :rolleyes

Freud defines one of the essential elements of humour as the defeat of expectation. I think that's pretty much impossible at this point, as every ounce of whimsy has been throttled out of the joke and stamped on by now. So maybe we should move on.

Spain, your move, I think?

[Paul Potter]

Horse, dead, quite beaten.
Spain, your move, I think?

Sorry, if it is I apologize for holding things up, sent a pm to John.

[Walleye]

Horse, dead, quite beaten.

You are referring, I presume, to the Carthaginian army?

Possibly the only DBA army to have ever lost 0-8 on aggregate. :eek

Uff da!

[winterbadger]

You are referring, I presume, to the Carthaginian army?

Possibly the only DBA army to have ever lost 0-8 on aggregate. :eek

Uff da!

Just think if it had been Germany you'd been playing against, instead of Spain! ;)

[John Meunier]

The Spanish army celebrates its epic victory over Carthage and regroups to consider its future moves.

The army remains in place.

It is now the Gallic turn.

[Walleye]

Just think if it had been Germany you'd been playing against, instead of Spain! ;)

(Diplomatically making no reference to Les Bleus.);)

[winterbadger]

The Gauls, free of entangling alliances, take no action this turn.

[John Meunier]

As I recall, the Gallic army is at G1. I'll update the map.

This ends our first season.

The Roman army is continuing its siege. First blood of the campaign belongs to Spain, which has a 4-0-0-0-0-0 lead on prestige points.

Before we go to the Summer season, please make any new declarations of war. Powers may by mutual agreement also conclude peace treaties and remove the war declarations. Of course, all parties must agree to this.

War declarations can be made public in this forum of by PM to me.

Other diplomacy is also welcome. (Remember to announced the sending of delegations in the public thread.)

The Diplomacy phase will end Thursday at noon - or sooner if it becomes clear that we are ready to move forward.

[John Meunier]

https://oncourse.iu.edu/access/content/user/jmeunier/Pics/Punic Peril/Punic.Peril.216.6.jpg

[John Meunier]

Diplomacy phase has ended.

Bruttia declares war on Gaul.
Gaul declares war on Rome.

Current war status:

Rome: Syracuse, Gaul
Bruttia: Syracuse, Gaul
Syracuse: Rome, Bruttia
Carthage: Spain
Spain: Carthage

It is now Rome's turn!

[winterbadger]

Ha! So now we see the cunning pusillanimity of the Romans--unwilling to do their own dirty work, they send hirelings and mercenaries to carry out their evil deeds. Fie, fie on Rome and their brutish Bruttian thugs! Thanks be to Agron, Andarta, and Andraste, to Camulus, Cocidus, Rudianos, and Smertrios that we were wary and smelled the trap of their honeyed words! May Leucetios and Taranis smite the Romans' fine marble buildings with thunderbolts; may Alaunus, Belenus, and Moritasgus shrivel their harvest in its fields,; and may Arausio, Barinthus, and Nodens swallow whole their ships and armies far from their native shores.

Oh, and bad cess to the Bruttii as well. May the forest Sila, I don't know, get dry rot or something. :rolleyes

[John Meunier]

The Roman siege continues in the summer, but the Syracusan defenders hold up under the assault. (Die roll of 3.)

Unless the Roman player says otherwise, I'll assume the Romans send another Bd element to their reserve.

The Bruttians recall their allied contingent from Syracuse and call for allies in advance of an invasion of Gaul.

Does Rome send allies to help its Bruttian allies?

[Mike Porter]

Does Rome send allies to help its Bruttian allies?

Rome does not.

Can I choose to send back a Psiloi element to reserve instead of blade?

[John Meunier]

Rome does not.

Can I choose to send back a Psiloi element to reserve instead of blade?

Your option. I'll make a note of it. Next season siege succeeds on a 3-6.

[John Meunier]

Bruttian army moves into Gaul.

Does the Gallic army stand and fight or fall back?

(Calling allies is moot for Gaul as no non-hostile army is within 2 movement stages - unless Rome allows passage through W. Sicily.)

[winterbadger]

Bruttian army moves into Gaul.

Does the Gallic army stand and fight or fall back?

(Calling allies is moot for Gaul as no non-hostile army is within 2 movement stages - unless Rome allows passage through W. Sicily.)

We stand! Already betrayed by their vile allies, the Brutal Bruttii shall perish on the doorstep of Gaul! Our Gallic cock cries for victory! :2up

[John Meunier]

Okay! I'll run this battle since I own a set of Bruttians.

My live in co-player will get this done in the next day or two. I'll post the results and then a report.

If either player wants to send "directions" for the generals, label them clearly in a PM. I'll make sure not to read either one until we determine who is playing which army.

[Texus Maximus]

I have a picture from the Roman siege in Northern Syracuse:

http://i764.photobucket.com/albums/xx281/ppecena/Archimedes.jpg


Archimedes once said "Give me a place to stand and I will burn the whole Roman Army and maybe some Bruttians too" or something like that.

[Xavi]

"Give me a place to stand and I will move the sun!"

Gonna love paraphrasing :P

Cheers,
Xavi

[Texus Maximus]

Diplomats sent to Gaul

[John Meunier]

Battle outcome: Bruttians take down the Gauls 2C-3.

Fuller report to come. Brief synopsis - aggressive Bruttian advance through bad going and bad Gallic pip dice and disastrous first round of combat dice - three 1s in a row - cost the battle.

Gallic charge late in battle bloodied the Bruttians, but not before the Bruttian Ax got into the camp.

Bruttians lose 2 4Ax, 1 2Ps
Gauls lose 2 3Wb and must transfer 2 more elements to reserve.

My prestige count - Gaul 1 (for more troop elements killed), Bruttia 2 (for captured camp)

Control of Gaul 1 shifts to Bruttia. Gallic army must retreat.

[John Meunier]

https://oncourse.iu.edu/access/content/user/jmeunier/Pics/Punic Peril/Punic.Peril.216.8.jpg

[John Meunier]

Battle report for Bruttia v. Gaul (Summer 216) can be found here:

http://punicperil.wordpress.com/2010/07/11/bruttia-v-gaul-summer-216/

[winterbadger]

Wow, Nederlanden chokes in the final and my proxy loses our camp! Not a good day....:eek

Gallic Army retreats to capital.

[John Meunier]

Your proxy was handicapped badly by a series of 1s early in the game. The dice started to even out late, but it was too little.

The low pips really hurt, but not as much as the first three combat dice coming up as 1s.

[John Meunier]

Syracuse has sent me his turn in advance.

He calls for allies in a planned attack on W. Sicily. Gaul is the only other power at war with Rome right now. Does Gaul send allies to support the Syracusan attack?

[winterbadger]

Syracuse has sent me his turn in advance.

He calls for allies in a planned attack on W. Sicily. Gaul is the only other power at war with Rome right now. Does Gaul send allies to support the Syracusan attack?

Yes! (And here is an obligatory phrase to make my replay acceptable to Fanaticus...)

[John Meunier]

Please specify the elements in the allied contingent.

Rome may call for allies if it intends to defend the Syracusan invasion by falling back to W. Sicily.

Bruttia cannot send allies. Spain and/or Carthage could if they wanted to help Rome defend its territory.

[winterbadger]

Please specify the elements in the allied contingent.

Rome may call for allies if it intends to defend the Syracusan invasion by falling back to W. Sicily.

Bruttia cannot send allies. Spain and/or Carthage could if they wanted to help Rome defend its territory.

I lost 2 Wb and had to move two elements to my reserve. Those two will also be Wb. And my allied contingent will be a Cv(G) and 2 Wb.

If they return without victory and before the second turn of the battle has been played, we will hold a government inquiry...

[Mike Porter]

Rome stays put.

Please specify the elements in the allied contingent.

Rome may call for allies if it intends to defend the Syracusan invasion by falling back to W. Sicily.

Bruttia cannot send allies. Spain and/or Carthage could if they wanted to help Rome defend its territory.

[John Meunier]

Okay! Rome stays with its siege.

Syracuse goes to W. Sicily and sets up its siege works.

Die roll - 6! Archimedes strikes.

Western Sicily now belongs to Syracuse!

Carthage, it is your turn.

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[Walleye]

Carthage holds mass rallies to whip up popular frenzy against our perfidious neighbors to the North. (And hopes this will help the populace forget about the losses.)

Otherwise, does nothing.

[John Meunier]

Carthage holds mass rallies to whip up popular frenzy against our perfidious neighbors to the North. (And hopes this will help the populace forget about the losses.)

Otherwise, does nothing.

Spain's turn!

[John Meunier]

Spain moves to Carthage 1.

Does the army of Carthage stand and fight or fall back?

[Walleye]

Call for allies.

[John Meunier]

Call for allies.

The only power that could send allies would be Rome, but only if Syracuse allows to the Roman contingent to pass through W. Sicily.

Gaul is too far away. Bruttia and Syracuse have already attacked and cannot therefore send a contingent.

[Walleye]

Okay, we go into the city. Bring it!

[John Meunier]

Unable to face the might of Spain in the open field, the Carthaginian army retreats behind the walls of the city and stands siege.

Die roll: 2

Siege does not succeed. Spain must send one element to its reserve.

The turn now goes to Gaul.

[winterbadger]

Gaul stands pat.

[John Meunier]

Spring ends with blood in the fields of Gaul, a new master in Western Sicily, and ongoing sieges in Syracuse and Carthage.

This puts us in diplomacy phase before the start of Fall 216. Please remember that at the end of Fall you will have to retreat to winter quarters.

I'll ask for Rome's move on Thursday to start Fall 216. Please post or send me war declarations or peace treaty announcements by Thursday morning.

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[Xavi]

Can we get the number of elements that each army contains? Thx :)

Xavi

[John Meunier]

Can we get the number of elements that each army contains? Thx :)

Xavi

The easiest way is to go to the website in my signature. On the side, I have a list of losses for each army.

Without looking, my recollection is:

Rome - 10
Bruttia - 9
Syracuse - 12
Carthage - 8
Spain - 12
Gaul - 8

[Rich Gause]

Bruttia sends emmisaries to Gaul.

[winterbadger]

Bruttia sends emmisaries to Gaul.

Gaul returns the Bruttian emissaries... minus their heads. :eek

[Walleye]

One must admire the Gauls! A bit brusque perhaps, but direct and to the point.:D

[winterbadger]

If one wishes to engage in diplomacy, one must be calm and cool. Not, well, lose one's head.

:D

[John Meunier]

I have no updates on war status, so we proceed to the Autumn turn.

Rome continues to besiege. After two seasons of steady work, and mounting losses, the Romans need a 3-6 to breach the walls.

Die roll: 3!

Syracuse 2 falls to Rome. (Map update coming later.)

Bruttia now can go.

[Rich Gause]

Bruttia stays put.

[John Meunier]

Syracuse is up!

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[Texus Maximus]

Syracuse attacks Romans at Syracuse 2. Passage through western Syracuse denied to roman allies. Syracuse calls for any available allies.

[John Meunier]

Syracuse attacks Romans at Syracuse 2. Passage through western Syracuse denied to roman allies. Syracuse calls for any available allies.

Your potential Gallic allies cannot reach the scene of battle, so the question goes to Rome.

Stand and fight or retreat?

[Rich Gause]

Rome may retreat through Bruttian territory either before battle or after battle in the unlikely event that he loses.

[John Meunier]

Rome? You with us?

[Walleye]

Is Rome roaming?:D

[winterbadger]

Is Rome roaming?:D

Roman in the gloamin'. :silly

[Paul Potter]

Rome has been captured by the army of Spain!

[Xavi]

Nobody expects the Spanish inquisition!

[Walleye]

But the Roman knows.;)

[Kontos]

How can we lose Rome? All roads lead to it. ;)

[winterbadger]

But the Roman knows.;)

...that's there's no place like Rome!

(insert image of file of hastati with bronze breastplates over gingham dresses clicking the heels of their caligae together, braids bouncing under their helmets and little dogs peeking out from their sarcinae)

[Walleye]

Again we have demonstrated that Virgil was right:

"Facilis est descensus Averni...."

:cool

[winterbadger]

Again we have demonstrated that Virgil was right:

"Facilis est descensus Averni...."

:cool

Of course--all those good intentions make for very slippery footing...

[John Meunier]

Oh boy. What have I gotten myself into?

[Bill Sumruld]

I fear the celebratory festival for the successful siege may have gotten out of hand and rendered too many of Rome's Senators unfit for a while.

[Bill Sumruld]

I hear the orators have already proclaimed the commanding general like unto a god having overcome incredible odds, having been out-numbered at least 21 to 1.

[Bill Sumruld]

I see his son is standing for the office of Aedile. With a good political campaign, he just might get it.

[Walleye]

Oh boy. What have I gotten myself into?

"You knew the job was dangerous when you took it, Fred."

[John Meunier]

In 24 hours, I'll make an executive decision about Rome's move.

If there is a fight, I'd be interested in having someone else run it.

Any volunteers?

[Mike Porter]

Rome fights!

[Kontos]

Rome fights!
Took you long enough. Couldn't find the sacred war spear? :D

[Xavi]

If next week you have not worked it out, we can play it. We have a tournament on Saturday, though so until next week we are "on tournament mode ON" and will not be playing out of that frame.

Xavi

[John Meunier]

Rome fights!

Okay! We have a fight. Rome defends, but on Littoral terrain.

I am without my in-house playing partner for a coupe of days.

Jeff Caruso, are you up for another go?

[Jeff Caruso]

Okay! We have a fight. Rome defends, but on Littoral terrain.

I am without my in-house playing partner for a coupe of days.

Jeff Caruso, are you up for another go?

Yo, this Friday is our Club Meeting known as Fri Nite Fights (FNF). I have a DBN game set (my first) vs the French but I'll try to set up a DBA opponent as well. If someone can definitely play this weekend or before that might be a better option. If not, I'll see if we can play it out Wed or Thur. :)

Jeff

[Mike Porter]

Please command the Romans, Jeff.
:D

[Jeff Caruso]

Please command the Romans, Jeff.
:D

I'll see what I can do. I have figures for both armies. Just so there are no misunderstandings.: What are the army makeups? Rome is defending on littoral Terrain. Anything else? What, no Hilly Terrain? :???

Jeff

[John Meunier]

I'll see what I can do. I have figures for both armies. Just so there are no misunderstandings.: What are the army makeups? Rome is defending on littoral Terrain. Anything else? What, no Hilly Terrain? :???

Jeff

The forces are:

Rome: 1x3Cv(G), 1x3Cv, 5x4Bd, 2x4Sp, 1x2Ps

Syracuse: 1x3Cv(G), 1x3Cv, 1x2LH, 6x4Sp, 1x3Wb, 1xArt, 1x2Ps

Rome defends in Littoral Terrain, which means Syracuse can attempt a landing as attacker if it desires.

[Xavi]

10 vs 12. Sysracuse has mounted and rough terrain advantage. Tough day for the romans!

[John Meunier]

10 vs 12. Sysracuse has mounted and rough terrain advantage. Tough day for the romans!

Blades are still blades.

[John Meunier]

Just to clarify for all players.

When the games are played - by me or anyone else - I'm asking the players to dice for side. High die is the attacker. No one will know in advance who is playing which army.

[Jeff Caruso]

10 vs 12. Sysracuse has mounted and rough terrain advantage. Tough day for the romans!

Xavi,

The Syracuse has 1x3Wb and 1x2Ps. Rome has 5x4Bd and 1x2Ps that can fight in Bad Going and the Ps can support the Bd in same. Advantage Rome. :)

Jeff

[Texus Maximus]

Syracuse, desiring to know the will of Apollo, has just received the words of the oracle of Delphi. The Sibyl spoke thus:

"By six a battle will be won; by one a battle will be lost."

The elders of Syracuse are still arguing the meaning of this.

[Jeff Caruso]

John,
Sorry, no takers for the game. :(
Tag! You're it!

Jeff

[John Meunier]

John,
Sorry, no takers for the game. :(
Tag! You're it!

Jeff

Thank you for trying, Jeff.

I'll organize a game ASAP.

[John Meunier]

I was able to sneak in a game today.

My Internet is bad and/or Fanaticus is jerky today, so I hope this goes up okay.

Waterway ended up on Roman left flank. Big marsh on Syracusan side. Road on Roman left. There was also a small marsh on the Roman right that played no part in the battle.

Rome pushed up the road to try to come to grips with the Syracusan Sp/Ps with 3 Bd, 2 Sp, 1 Ps, and Cv general. Syracusan Wb in marsh slowed up attack a bit with skeevy ZOC games.

Syracuse landed Art and 3 Sp in the Roman backfield and pushed up that flank with 2 Cv and LH.

Syracuse surrounded and cut down - after some stout defense - 2 Roman Bd on that flank. Roman Cv danced and slowed down the Art advance toward the Roman camp.

Roman CnC fell back to slow down Syracusan flank while heavy infantry closed and came to blows with Syracuan Sp line.

Dice gods go fickle and Syracusan general gets 6-1'd dead. Romans pin and kill Syracusan Ps.

Roman Cv element goes down to numbers. Syracuan Art forces Roman camp to surrender - but as it is unoccupied, it does not count as elements for Syracuse.

Roman General 6-1 other Syracusan Cv. (Meanwhile the Syracusan Sp have played push games with superior numbers of Roman heavy infrantry for a few bounds in a row.)

Syracuse rolls enough pips for LH to charge into unoccupied camp.

Game over. Syracuse wins.

3C-3G

Presitge points - 0 for losses, 2 each side for dead camp and dead general.

Losses
Rome - 2 Bd, 1 Cv + 2 more to reserve for loss of camp
Syracuse - 2 Cv, 1 Ps + 2 more to reserve for loss of general

Syracuse 2 reverts to Syracusan control

Rome may retreat into Bruttian territory.

Carthage may take its turn.

I'll update map and blog when I get time.

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[winterbadger]

Huzzah for the brave and indomitable Syracusans!

[John Meunier]

Blog and map updated.

I've adjust Prestige Point scores to give each player 3 points for each city it controls. I had been only adding points for new conquests, but this is not how end-of-game prestige are figured.

Right now the leaders are: Bruttia and Syracuse with 14, followed by Spain with 13. Full run down on the blog.

[Texus Maximus]

Syracuse sends the artillery and a spear into reserve.

[John Meunier]

Xavi,

The Syracuse has 1x3Wb and 1x2Ps. Rome has 5x4Bd and 1x2Ps that can fight in Bad Going and the Ps can support the Bd in same. Advantage Rome. :)

Jeff

Yes and no. The lone 3Wb is not much, but its quick kill makes it a bad going demon against the Romans. They could send in 3 elements to kill the Wb - maybe - but the pip drain would be enormous to kill 1 element.

In the battle as it was fought, the Roman commander (me) let the lone Wb have the marsh so I could chase Syracusan Sp with the legions.

[Mike Porter]

Crap...

"I shall return!"

Rome withdraws into Bruttian territory. Additional Bd and Ps to reserve.

[Xavi]

Yup, Wb remove one of the main features of Bd: their ability to be 4x4 all terrain elements. Suddenly the BGo is really BAD.

[Walleye]

Carthage burns a few more calves to Baal, hunkers down, and stands the seige for another round.

(That baby-burning stuff was just Roman propaganda!)

[John Meunier]

Spain's turn!

Continue the siege?

[Paul Potter]

Spain's turn!

Continue the siege?

Continue the siege.

[John Meunier]

Continue the siege.

That's what I guessed, but did not want to presume.

Carthaginian army makes the chance of success 5-6.

Die roll: 3

The defenders hold.

Spanish army will have to retire to friendly territory for the winter.

Spain moves one element to reserve - for the moment.

Gaul may now take action to bring the campaigning year to a close.

[winterbadger]

Gaul, eying the rapacious Bruttian hordes, stands pat.

[John Meunier]

Thus ends the Autumn turn.

All armies retire to winter quarters. No one is out of supply. No one fails to make it to friendly territory.

As we get ready for Spring 215, you can move one element from reserve back to your field army for each city you control, plus one extra for controlling your capital.

One the sidebar of the campaign blog (http://punicperil.wordpress.com) you can find a listing of your current army composition and reserve.

Those of you who sustained more losses than you can replace, please post in this thread which elements move back to the field army.

At the start of the Spring turn, I will roll dice again to see who gets first move.

All declarations of war remain in effect unless nations negotiate a peace.

Anyone who wants to declare a new war before Spring turn, send me a PM.

Everyone needs to send me a PM with the starting location of your field army in Spring.

[Texus Maximus]

Messengers sent to Gaul and Carthage.

[winterbadger]

Messengers sent to Syracuse and Spain.

[Walleye]

Syracusan envoys lavishly entertained in Carthage, dispatched for home with messages from the Suffete.

Envoys sent to Bagotrix, King of the Gauls.

[winterbadger]

Those of you who sustained more losses than you can replace, please post in this thread which elements move back to the field army.

To everyone's surprise :) Gaul moves 3 Warband from its reserve to its army.

[Jeff Caruso]

One the sidebar of the campaign blog (http://wordpress.punicperil.com) you can find a listing of your current army composition and reserve.

in Spring.


I got the following message when I tried to access the army lists and compositions.

"Sorry, we can't find "wordpress.punicperil.com". We suggest that you check the spelling of the web address or search above."

Jeff

[winterbadger]

I got the following message when I tried to access the army lists and compositions.

"Sorry, we can't find "wordpress.punicperil.com". We suggest that you check the spelling of the web address or search above."

Jeff

Yeah, I was getting that error before, but it seems to be working now...

[John Meunier]

No, it was my fault.

The URL is: http://punicperil.wordpress.com

I reversed it. The link is also in my signature line.

[Mike Porter]

Rome sends 2 blade and 2 psiloi back to the army.

[John Meunier]

I have army locations for three powers - Syracuse, Carthage, and Gaul.

If I do not hear (via PM) from others in the next 24 hours, I will assume the armies start at their capitals.

This upcoming year, Spain will have first action each season.

[John Meunier]

Spring 215 is here.

No new war declarations.

Spain goes first.

[Texus Maximus]

Messengers sent to Gaul and Carthage.

[John Meunier]

Spain announces its intention to invade Carthage.

Does Carthage call allies? Fight? Retreat? Stand siege (with or without the army present)?

[Walleye]

Carthage calls for allies.

[Texus Maximus]

Syracuse sends an allied contingent to aid Carthage.