DBAOL Flank cover

[Dusty the Mighty]

I thought the program's bugs were pretty well worked out. But the other day a player maneuvered an element, not onto a flank, but angled behind the flank to prevent recoil, even tho I had an element offset behind it covering the flank with its ZOC. Is this not considered cover anymore?

[xeswop]

THere has been no change in the F2F rules to warrent this. Maybe OL is getting corrupt. Same for the Ps question in the other thread.

[David Kuijt]

It has always been possible to do this, if you are clever enough and devious enough and spend enough time experimenting. The important cheater concept is this: you can move in ZOC any time you want, so long as the position you end up in is "closer to lining up" than the one you started in. The issue is that DBAOL segments movement into pieces. So if you move entirely outside of ZOC into a position from which you can enter the "blocking" ZOC legally as if you were trying to line up with the blocker, then you can often stick a corner or buttock into the recoil of the element who should be blocked.

It would be easier to show with diagrams, but that's too much work. Suffice it to say that you can do this, and it's been true since I quit playing DBAOL nearly two years ago, so it isn't a new bug.

[Dusty the Mighty]

Originally posted by David Kuijt:
Suffice it to say that you can do this, and it's been true since I quit playing DBAOL nearly two years ago, so it isn't a new bug. Guess I've never been devious enough to look for it. :D

Are both elements supposed to die on recoil if a rear corner meets a side edge in DBAOL, or is that v2?

(Actually, my rear met his rear corner. Shouldn't that have done it?)

[ May 13, 2004, 21:28: Message edited by: Dusty the Mighty ]

[David Kuijt]

Originally posted by Dusty the Mighty:
Guess I've never been devious enough to look for it. :D
Say rather, guess you've been lucky enough that this is the first time someone has done it to you. When someone did it to me, I investigated myself to find out how it was done.


Are both elements supposed to die on recoil if a rear corner meets a side edge in DBAOL, or is that v2?

(Actually, my rear met his rear corner. Shouldn't that have done it?) Dude, you've been playing DBAOL two years more recently than I, you shouldn't be asking me what the rules are! smile.gif I have no idea; I deleted those memories so I could re-use the RAM. In v2.0 and later, both would be dead, either way.

[Whatisitgood4]

This has happened to me several times. it is quite nasty and I wouldn't do it myself.

The 'trick' is to get into legal position next to where you want to intrude into the ZOC of the rear covering element, then us the 'combat' button to try to attack the covering element.

That will usually push you into the ZOC of the rear element for a potential BOD on the front element. I have kept a game vs one player who used that trick against me in an (unsuccessful) attempt to BOD my general.

I kept it because I was so amused that he objected when I won the game a few bounds later by BODing one of his elements!

I think the other thing you are describing is a bug. I have had several cases where an element recoils into the rear or side of one of my elements but my element didn't pop. Bug plain and simple, sent to DBAOL and of course ignored.

I always offer an immediate delete game / re-match when it happens.