Double Size Tourney at ATC

[Mike Demana]

Hi folks,

I thought I'd start a new thread for next month's upcoming 15mm Double Size DBA Tourney at Advance the Colors on Friday, Sept. 21. Since John Loy's thread on August's BBDBA Tourney was so successful in rallying players to the competition, we'll try it here!

First of all, for those who thought the tourney at New Song ran a little long, the Double Size Tourney fixes that. Games last about 1.5 hours -- and less, if you stick your army CnC's nose out front where it doesn't belong. There is a lot of maneuver room in this game -- 24 elements on a 4'x2' board. It's a fun little format, and you finish your three rounds in about the same time you'd finish a four round "single size" tourney.

I'm looking forward to only my second time playing in this tourney...usually I run it, so don't get to play. Last year, though, Mike Stelzer and I switched Tournies we GM at ATC, and now he runs it. 2006 was also when I tried my Light Horse experiment in the tourney, which failed miserably. So, don't look for me to run another LH army this year!

I'm actually thinking of something Biblical...either double size New Kingdom Egyptian or a Canaanite with NKE ally. See! The cat's out of the bag (and I hate cats!), so what are others thinking of bringing....?

HMMMMMMMMMMMMM....?

[Zekestrom]

Still undecided ... may drag out the Condotta, may drag out the Samurai. Might even pull the Normans off the shelf and see if I can scrounge up an ally. Whatever I bring, I'm pretty sure it won't be Greek :).

Or maybe I'm just planning to fool you all and bring double Thracians ;).

[John Meunier]

I have really enjoyed double DBA when I have played it.

I tried the LH experiment in 2004 at Origins. Bad idea. My best battle was against defending samurai in the woods. Others were not pretty.

The biggest difference between full BBDBA and double is the lack of a mid-pip command. You get one high and one low. I end up having to think more in terms of two wings of any army rather than a center with two flanks.

I don't know what I'll run, yet. It will have to be something Punic Wars related or a Byzantine/Bedouin - as those are all my armies.

[Dave Welch]

As Mike Demana already knows, I'm going to bring my newly won Siamese. I'm not going to have an opportunity to play them in the open tournament, so Mike is loaning me his Siamese army so I can play in the double sized tournament.

I'm really interested in trying this army out. It's a big departure for me to have elephants.

[jengt]

Not sure if I'm going to play a double of my (hopefully by then) newly painted Teutonics (borrowing a single size from John - I CAN borrow a single size from you, can't I John?), or trying a double of my recently won Carthaginians (borrowing a single size from Mike).

Like Zeke - DEFINITELY no more Greeks. I think they've been overused & abused in the last year or more.

Jenny

[John Loy]

borrowing a single size from John Hmmmm.........:rolleyes:

Well, maybe we should work out a lease arrangement;)


Just probably not going to be there this Saturday.

John

[jengt]

Well, maybe we should work out a lease arrangement;)


How many beers will it cost me? :D

[Stelzone]

How many beers will it cost me? :D

Jenny,

I have a tuetonic army and am a lot cheaper than John to buy for. Limit 2 for me, if that. (It's a rent price I can live with, plus it might bug John!) :D

Mike

[Andy Swingle]

i want to do something different than my mid-late medievals.. I want to do Dacians.. anyone can field that on loan? I guess i can always break out my later hebrew.. but i always didnt do good with them in DBM.. Though i can convert them into other things i guess. Or i do have 1 dba army middle assyrians. anyway looking forward to it:D

[John Loy]

Bunch of blankety-blank cheapskates:(


John

[jengt]

Jenny,

I have a tuetonic army and am a lot cheaper than John to buy for. Limit 2 for me, if that. (It's a rent price I can live with, plus it might bug John!) :D

Mike

I appreciate the offer Mike. And, as much fun as it would be to bug John, I HAVE to go with his. I've gone 5 & 1 with his Teutonics. I can't risk losing the luck. The problem now will be to find the "Lucky" 12 elements to use :confused: .

Jenny

[John Loy]

There is now a 50/50 chance of being there tomorrow. I will bring the "lucky Teuts" if I can make it.

Funny, they were never lucky for me. Must be a female touch:rolleyes:

John

[fatcat217]

50/ 50 for me too; First army into my head for DDBA was Aztecs with ally, then Hsia, then naked screaming Galatians started sounding good, but who knows...

[David Kuijt]

First army into my head for DDBA was Aztecs with ally, then Hsia, then naked screaming Galatians started sounding good,

Then the meds kicked in, and the flying monkeys and chartreuse elephants gradually receded into the walls...

[fatcat217]

What's Chartreuse? Mine are sort of a light purple. What armies are allowed in the Emp. of the North?

[jengt]

What armies are allowed in the Emp. of the North?

Here's the link to the GLADBAG page with the allowed armies for Emperor of Great lakes...it's most of book III & IV...

http://www.hmgsgl.com/GLADBAG/Emp07armies.html

[fatcat217]

Thanks muchly...

[John Loy]

No Ming!!:p


John

[John Loy]

Trying out a couple of double sized armies tonight. Decisions, decisions......... Book II, Book IV????? Hmmm, maybe Book I?

Anti- Mike or anti - Teutonic???:cool:


John

[fatcat217]

I think I'll bring some purple elephants, caught a couple hanging around after the meds kicked in....

[jengt]

Anti- Mike or anti - Teutonic???:cool: John

Oh, so you're lumping ME in with Mike now...
You don't really want to beat your own army now, do you? ;)

[John Loy]

I said "OR" ;)

Besides they never won for me, so I might feel it to be an appropriate punishment. You know, like decimating the Legion:eek:


John

[John Meunier]

Is deployment as the rulebook in Double DBA? (All defener then all attacker followed by the swap.)

Or is there some variation on the NASAMW BBDBA deployment variant?

[jengt]

Is deployment as the rulebook in Double DBA? (All defener then all attacker followed by the swap.)

That's the way we played it Saturday for our practice at Frankie's. I'm pretty sure Mike S. is planning on doing it the same.

[Stelzone]

Deployment is as in book, with swap at end of 2 pairs.

Mike S.

ps. Think Mike is afraid to play Jenny, has the student become the master of the meetings??

[John Loy]

Or the payback is too painfull:eek:


John

[Mike Demana]

Oh, I'm not afraid to play against Jenny. But I knew that the tide would eventually have to turn, and that she'd eventually start defeating me. Of course, I didn't expect it to be back-to-back like in the HOTT Origins tourney and then BBDBA! I can't wait till she starts slapping both of your grinning mugs around, too...! And I hope I have my digicam handy...!!!

[Pavane]

Can we create a name (and then an acronymn) for 2-Command DBA. Double Size Tourney is a mouthfull. How about DDBA for Double DBA?

[John Meunier]

Duece

Double DBA

Twins

DBA 24

High Low (for the two commands)

????? Just throwing out ideas

[Pavane]

Or 2CDBA for 2-Command DBA. Something has to resonate. I have several pairs (it is amazing how many enemies are also sometimes allies), but only two BBDBA's so far. This is a viable game format and deserves a name.

[edit: more thoughts (than usual)]

[The Last Conformist]

How ´bout Medium Massacre, for MMDBA? :D

[Xavi]

DDBA gets my vote here. Will have to test it with my SRB....

Xavi

[Pavane]

Perhaps Chris can create a poll.

[Mike Demana]

As former Army, I have developed an aversion to acronyms. There is almost always a simpler way of stating it using common words. And in this particular case, I challenge anyone to come up with one that takes less syllables than "Dou-ble Size"...3 lousy syllables! Why do we need to abbreviate that? It's easier to say Double Size...

Especially when you consider some of the bad ones we have in this community, especially NASAMW - the world's worst acronym...how can anyone have a clue how to pronounce that?

[The Last Conformist]

As former Army, I have developed an aversion to acronyms. There is almost always a simpler way of stating it using common words. And in this particular case, I challenge anyone to come up with one that takes less syllables than "Dou-ble Size"...3 lousy syllables! Why do we need to abbreviate that? It's easier to say Double Size...
Lemme see ... "DS" would be all of two syllables. :p

[Xavi]

2-size :P

DS.... interesting how David Slanger (spelling?) gor transformed into a DBA acronym. He should be feeling honoured :P

For good or for bad, the net is quite the realm of the acronym, nowadays.

Xavi

[Andy Swingle]

heh.. i would vote for either High/Low DBA or Twins DBA:D

[John Loy]

Well, gonna test a different double sized tonight. Haven't made up my mind yet; but leaning strongly:rolleyes:


John

[Mike Demana]

You bringing along any of your burgeoning Newark contingent? Who'd have thunk it: Newark, Ohio, hotbed of BBDBA...?

[John Meunier]

I've been toying around with all my posible DBA 24 armies:

Several Punic War era armies and ally combos

Dynastic Bedouin

Nikephorian Byzantine/Konstantinian Byzantine

And the one high pip, one low pip nature of this version of BBDBA has been scratching my head. The natural thing seems to be a refused wing and an attacking wing, but some armies just don't lend themselves really well to that kind of structure - Bedouins being my best example.

I'm curious how other veterans of Double Size BBDBA go about organizing commands and missions for their troops.

[John Loy]

Nah!

Double Samurai!

BANZAI!!!!;)


John

[Zekestrom]

Lamentably, it looks like this has become a moot point for me. Due to forces beyond my control [read: people "associated" with our hosting company], I am most likely going to need to be home Friday and Saturday while we perform yet another hosting move.

[insert colorful string of Dave expletives here]

This mean I will 90% likely miss Friday and 60% likely miss Saturday afternoon ... I may not even be able to make it for the HOTT tournament Saturday night. I'll be calling to adjust my hotel reservation this afternoon. No DBA24, no Open, maybe no HOTT, and maybe no ATC at all.

[chain of f-bombs included for dramatic effect]

But hey, my loss is your loss. This means the Little Kings won't be arriving till Saturday, if at all. Though I'll do my best to get the prize for HOTT to Eric anyway, just in case.

Sorry, all :(.

[jengt]

Oh no Zeke! You (and your beer) will be sadly missed on Friday. Here's hoping you can make it Saturday for HOTT and the rest of the fun.

[Mike Demana]

That is lamentable, Zeke. In fact, it sucks.

Hmm...now who will the Aerodromers mooch their beer off of? Augh! I guess that'd be me! Better toss in another case in my car...

Seriously, Zeke, I hope you can make it after all...

[John Loy]

And who's going to bring the Bushmills for Pthom?:D

John

[Zekestrom]

Well, I'm going to play it by ear. I don't yet know how much I have to do Friday, but I likely wouldn't be able to come up till late (I had originally planned to take the day off.)

Once I get up there, I'm likely only going to be able to pop in and watch a few games (drink a beer or two) here and there, spending the rest of the time in the hotel on the laptop. That goes for Friday night and Saturday afternoon for sure, so I can't really count on playing in either DBA tournament. Same potentially goes for HOTT.

On any or all of those days, I may have to drive back to Cincinnati (or just abandon the con altogether), depending on how much I have to "fix" and what it entails.

But, I'll do my best to make sure we at least have beer :). Oh, and a pretty cool HOTT grand prize.

[Pthomas]

And who's going to bring the Bushmills for Pthom?:D

John

Lamentably family and marching band booster obligations are going to keep me scarce as well. I am trying to make Saturday, but the first band contest of the year is Saturday. I am hoping to make the HOTT tournament.

I will definitely be there Saturday evening to run a Victorian Science Fiction/Colonial event: The Battle of El Teb II, Sudan 1885. Watch out for those Martian armed natives!

As for the Bushmills, I can only say:

"God bless the Irish!"

[Pthomas]

so I can't really count on playing in either DBA tournament. Same potentially goes for HOTT.

On any or all of those days, I may have to drive back to Cincinnati (or just abandon the con altogether), depending on how much I have to "fix" and what it entails.

But, I'll do my best to make sure we at least have beer :). Oh, and a pretty cool HOTT grand prize.

Zeke,

Maybe you can get WiFi from the Hotel at the convention and you can sit there and keep the IT world running while pushing lead. Stranger things have happened!

Tom

[Stelzone]

Zeke,

I was going to put together a pool to see when you were going to hand me my butt in a tournament, guess it will have to wait. Going to miss the games, laughs and quips if you don't make it. By the way did you get the ad I forwarded to you. Saw it and thought of some of the comments you've made at origins and ATC last year.

Mike

Well, I'm going to play it by ear. I don't yet know how much I have to do Friday, but I likely wouldn't be able to come up till late (I had originally planned to take the day off.)

Once I get up there, I'm likely only going to be able to pop in and watch a few games (drink a beer or two) here and there, spending the rest of the time in the hotel on the laptop. That goes for Friday night and Saturday afternoon for sure, so I can't really count on playing in either DBA tournament. Same potentially goes for HOTT.

On any or all of those days, I may have to drive back to Cincinnati (or just abandon the con altogether), depending on how much I have to "fix" and what it entails.

But, I'll do my best to make sure we at least have beer :). Oh, and a pretty cool HOTT grand prize.

[Steve Cole]

I will make it for Friday anad Sat for a full week end of DBA/Hott. I haven't done double size in a couple of years.

I also have a new army for Sat that I'm looking forward to putting on the field. 12 dismounting knights with bows that can split into 24 ps. It's in the latest version, book 5.

Many more new Green Guys for Hott. I've finally made some magicians.

Looking forward to another fun ATC!

[Zekestrom]

I was going to put together a pool to see when you were going to hand me my butt in a tournament
HAH! I'd be satisfied with just beating you in a GAME. You've had me up against the ropes for too long now. If I do nothing else, I'm going to try and play at least a few games during HOTT. We can throw down there ...

By the way did you get the ad I forwarded to you.
Yes ... yes I did. You know me entirely too well, sir!

'Course, if I were THAT deluded, I probably wouldn't be complaining :D.

[Andy Swingle]

I wanted to do something different.. I do have some biblical stuff left over from my DBM days. Im planning on doing Philistine I/29b with a Phoenician ally I/35b. Did a practice game at fankies with a double hittite I/24b against jenny.. Ew! I won by the hair of my chinny chin chin! Not to mention some lucky dice rolls.. soo im gonna try this and see what happens. Cheers!

[jengt]

Did a practice game at fankies with a double hittite I/24b against jenny.. Ew! I won by the hair of my chinny chin chin!

That was one BLOODY and well-fought battle. You deserved the win! My Carthaginians certainly made a good show for their first time out though.

[Mike Porter]

Egads! I wish I could join you guys!:(

[jengt]

Egads! I wish I could join you guys!:(

So, come on down! Lots of DBA, great people & BEER! (If Ptom's there, maybe even some Bushmill's - that is, if you can pry it out of his hands :eek: ) Admission's only $12 for ANY HMGS member.

[Mike Porter]

I wanted to at least come down for a day; but alas, I am totally tied up this weekend-non stop.:( I'll be there next year though!:cool:

[Mike Demana]

"Never get involved in a land war in Asia" -- Vizzini

You betcha, Mike...DBA just gets bigger each year at ATC. Oh, and I noticed your quote at the bottom from The Princess Bride. I've coined another one in our Sunday Night gaming group:
"Never roll dice against Keith in his basement" - Demana

[orcafinn]

and, they didn't lose every game in the DBA Doubles. I used a Samnite army with Camillian Roman ally - my 2 losses came when the Samnite command was broken. My one win came when the Samnites got into the Han Chinese BW in the woods, and things went poorly for the Han.

A big suprise was losing my Samnites to the Sassanid Persian horde. I used my Samnite arny to face a command made up of 2xHD, 1xEL, 1xKN,1xEL,1xKN,2xHD - didn't work. The AX couldn't budge the HD, and I lost 3 AX trying - then a frigging KN cherry picked another AX, and that was it!

I lost BIG to the Selucid army, but my Samnites got a QK on the EL, making the whole thing worthwhile.