Wotcha Workin' On?

[David Kuijt]

So, what has everyone got on nails right now? I don't mean inactive, been-waiting-for-six-months armies, I mean active in-process being-painted stuff. I was painting last night and I noticed the things I was working on was a pretty ecletic mix, and I wondered if that was typical or atypical.

Currently in process I have:

</font> An element of Later Cartho Spear (Corvus Belli new guys)</font> Some Polybian Romans (two spear elements, one blade element, two psiloi -- all Essex, part of the BBDBA prize from Nashcon. Go Nadbag!)</font> Two elements of Later Macedonian Xystophoroi (one including Philip V) mostly by Freikorps</font> Four elements of Koryo Koreans -- a 3CvGen (all Grumpy) and 2x3Cv (mixture of Grumpy and Essex Mongol HCv with some custom work), plus an Artillery (modified Outpost Sung bolt-thrower turned into a stone-thrower, with crew from Outpost, Irregular, and Gladiator)</font> An element of Theban spear (Xyston figs; I had enough leftovers and samples in Boeotian helmets and I think hoplites with big clubs on their shields are cool)</font> Some Ghurids -- 2x3Sp and a kettledrummer for the 3CvGen</font>

[Paul A. Hannah]

Yeah, I'm all over the map too, David. A view through "Painting Table Cam" would show:

* Three elements of Blemmye camelry (Falcon 15s)

* Two elements of Inca warriors (Mike's Models)

* One Inca Litter (Naismith)

* One stand of Assyrian spearmen (Mike's Models)

* And I'm cleaning up some Tupi and Amazonians (Eureka) that just arrived from OZ.

[GAZMAN]

David
Last night I applied paint to:
15mm EIR bows and psiloi elements, to finish off ther option for that army.
15mm Tuareg from PP - you just have to have the 12 camel element army don't ya!
25mm Vendel greek cavalry.
25mm Gripping beast Moorish Psiloi to finish off my Early Moorish army.
25mm Gripping beast King Juba conversion to finish off the 3Cv Gen element for my Numidian army.
Somme very old 25mm Minifig Balearic slingers and cretan archers, these are from a distant period where wargames figures came on rectangular bases and were a bit skinny, very evocative of my early years. I am enjoying painting them.
I also painted the side lights of my old russian GAZ truck.
I also undercoated three more of the 'confused general' figures for painting and plopping on ebay.
non painting...
I played about with some cleaning up on an essex NKE army that I bought in a fit of 15mm madness.
And I cut up a load of plywood bases.

I paint a lot of figures at a time because I ink wash and I like to let it dry proper. Also I use Vellejo paints, sometimes they are a little blocked and I squeeze too hard - whammmo, too much dark flesh on the pallet, bring in some more undercoated guys to use it up on...

That is a pretty eclectic mix too!!
I find variety is the spice of life and I like a good curry.
GAZMAN

[ June 11, 2003, 08:36: Message edited by: GAZMAN ]

[Simon Davey]

I've got out a very large brush to do a lot of black undercoating now that my marathon session of filing off the flash is over...

My hit list is, however, nowhere near as exciting:

1. three elements of Teutonic Knights
2. three elements of Templar Knights
3. three elements of Hospitaller Knights (although I thought that I'd do the early black ones with white crosses)

All Museum Miniatures, which incidentally are rather fine, and are one piece castings which is great, if a little large (well, those Knights should look overwhelming shouldn't they...)

4. six elements of low countries pike for which I'm going to defy history and paint them in various orange and white and blue colours and some red, yellow and black colours; thus looking like the present-day Dutch and Belgian soccer teams... Museum again.

5. a full size "Other" Hun DBM army, all new Essex, 48 elements of LH and 3 command groups of Cav. Just couldn't resist a LH army. Thanks BTW to the helpful advice from an earlier post on the new Essex Huns - more great figures.

6. six elements of medieval horde - just bought a couple of Two Dragons mixpacks of town and village folk.

7. a viking command group (Two Dragons again) - Eric the limp-axe I think...

8. William the b'stard command group for my stormin' normans (again Two Dragons).

9. some 28mm Dixons Samurai, hopefully enough for a DBA

10. er, is that enough?

Now, LOL, I'll let you know when I finish some...

Simon

[Wanax]

Last night saw 4 elements of Ming spear, 3 elements of Ugartic Ax, an Ugartic chariot, and a samurai standard bearer completed.

Currently on the table are 48 French Curasier and Hussars, 12 Russian light infantry, 2 elements of Ugartic Bd, 3 Ugartic chariots, 2 Samurai cav, 2 Sung artillery, and some Ugartic Ps.

In the On Deck circle are: More nappy infantry. Another Viking Raider army, 2 more Sung bw elements, a Selucid army, and some more Samurai Bd (can never have enough smile.gif ).

In the purchase program I have a quandry. I currently have $40 to spend and I'm stuck. Here are my options (Essex), but I just can't make the choice:

1. Sumerian (love those figures) ;)
2. Achian (love Lch dismounting as Bd) :D
or
3. Polybian and Aztec :cool:

Issues:
1. I don't have a Pk based army yet. :confused:
2. No terrain troops and chariot are problematic in recoil. :eek:
3. Do I need another Bd and/or Wb army? :rolleyes:

Stuck
Wanax

[John Meunier]

This is just a thread to make some of us feel inadequate, isn't it? (Like the kid who always aced the math tests and would come up to you in the hallway and ask, "What'd you get on your test?")

Right now I have a BBDBA army in the hands of one figure painter for hire (Dynastic Bedouins - I think they rate a D or F on the two Davids scale.)

And I have the rouding out of an Ancient Brit army and a regular DBA Polybian army at another figure painter.

In my garage there are several bags of Pass O' the North Numidians and Spanish that I might one day get to. (I think I have to go buy new paint first.)

John

[imported_Inari7]

I have nothing on my slate for DBA, I have other projects on deck but I am taking a break right now. I still have about 4 DBA armies that have never been played, so until I play some more I am not going to paint any more DBA unless some one pays me to.

[Wanax]

Originally posted by Inari7:
I have nothing on my slate for DBA, I have other projects on deck but I am taking a break right now. I still have about 4 DBA armies that have never been played, so until I play some more I am not going to paint any more DBA unless some one pays me to. Doug I have three unblooded armies sitting at home. Any time you're ready to drop in and have a game, I'm ready....well weeknights it would have to be around 8pm til 10pm only, since I have baby duty until 8. Sitting on the dock ready to go are:
Athenian Hoplite
French Ordinance
Koryo Korean

Bring your forces, lets game over a beer.

Wanax

[David Kuijt]

Originally posted by Inari7:
I still have about 4 DBA armies that have never been played, so until I play some more I am not going to paint any more DBA unless some one pays me to. Hey, if having unplayed armies was a barrier to further painting, I'd NEVER get any painting done!

[Asterix]

On the conveyor belt tonight we have:

3 x Thracian Aux
6 x Mac Pike
6 x EIR Aux
2 x EIR Bow
1 x EIR Arty
4 x Early German Ps
2 x Tarantine LH
3 x Cretan Ps
3 x Slingers Ps
1 x Seleucid SC
4 x Feudal English Bow
7 x Norman Kn
4 x Norman Sp
2 x Norman Bw
2 x Anglo-Danish Sp
2 x Swabian Bd
4 x Carolingian Frank Sp
4 x Dinosaur Hunters
1 x Stegasaurus!

These are all about 80% complete.

Making this list has been a real eye opener for me. I can't stay focused! But I love the variety!

Asterix.

[David Kuijt]

Originally posted by John Meunier:

Right now I have a BBDBA army in the hands of one figure painter for hire (Dynastic Bedouins - I think they rate a D or F on the two Davids scale.)
D, C with the Kurdish ally. The Light Camel is nice in combination with Dry/Agg1 (put out some Dunes if you get the chance!) but doesn't help this army from having a butt-load of LH and a sprinkling of BGo troops. This army might not be too bad on a 5x2 board -- certainly lots of fun for any LH enthusiast -- but they're going to have lots of trouble against any army with more than a smidge of bow, which includes like half their historical enemies! (Abbasids, Tulunid Egyptian, Nikkie Byz, Fatamids, etc.)

It looks like a fun army, though -- and I've painted up Early Libyans, so I certainly sympathize with a fun army that is, shall we say, at a slight disadvantage?

[imported_rodvik humble]

Having a Meroitic Ku****e army painted by a pro. I have some ideas on how this could be a heck of a fun army to play with. I havent played with an army containeing substantial bow elements yet and a general/bow unit looks like it has possibilities.

[Scottila]

Hockey season's over so there's nothing on the dish anymore, so...

Elves, Dacians, Trolls, and early Sassanid Cav.

I have been working on a project to create DBA armies for all of the nations in the old TSR Beer & Pretzels fantasy game Divine Right. Those first three will complete it.

The last one is just because I want to add a bit of variety into my Sassanid Cv. Currently I have all essex monopose figs. Adding some other mfrs figs to each base increases the variety. The effect looked great on my Late Empire -&gt; Dark Ages Germanics.

[ June 11, 2003, 14:25: Message edited by: Scottila ]

[SunTzu]

Since my computer at home won't connect to the internet right now I'm getting alot more painting done. Right now its Vikings, Vikings, Vikings, and more Vikings plus 9th Century Scots, Scots, Scots! Did I mention the freakin' Vikings? Really I just took an inventory of my figures in proccess. It stands at about 300 at this point! It definately looks like a painting factory in our den right now (much to the wife's regret). The plus side for her is that I'm at home not getting into any trouble.

Sincerely,

Trey, aka SunTzu

[David Kuijt]

Originally posted by Scottila:
Hockey season's over so there's nothing on the dish anymore, so...
I feel your pain! Four months before it will be worthwhile to turn on the TV again!

I have been working on a project to create DBA armies for all of the nations in the old TSR Beer & Pretzels fantasy game Divine Right. Those first three will complete it.
I love that game.

[Redwilde]

I've been pretty mono-focused for painting -- adding decorative trim patterns to tunics and linen armor on a slew of Xyston hoplites. And a Medieval Portuguese camp element: sailors on a beach, with a small ship behind them at sea. Not on the shelf for more than 6 months yet -- mid April I trimmed up several armies worth of Outpost Khmer/Cham and a Burmese one. Will start painting these after the hoplites. Late last night when I wasn't up to more detail painting, I considered trimming up my Essex Breton army (Nice variety of figs and poses. Only the archers are boring, but its unlikely I would actually field this army with any of the foot options anyway, I like the 8Cv + 4LH). But only wound up pulling out the figs and admiring them without actually picking up an XActo knife.

[imported_Richard Lee]

Main priority is late 20th century civilians in 25 mm for my Buffy skirmish game "Slayer of Vampyres". Also, I am doing a small number of 28 mm Wood Elves, some 25 mm Gothic cavalry which I had intended to paint as Rohirim but decided to paint as Goths instead, some centaurs, and a few 25 mm celtic reinforcements.

As a sideline I am doing a "Polybian Conversion Kit" for my Camillian Roman 6 mm DBA army on bases for 25 mm.

What I want to start soon is a couple of 15 mm DBA armies (Tullian Roman and Etruscan League), a 6 mm on 25 mm bases DBA Pyrric army and shed loads of 25 mm ancient Spanish.

[Gregorius]

This is a great topic! I am not as diverse as some of you. I am working on a 400AP DBM army using Xyston figures. It will represent Xenophon's 10,000. I have already painted 3 Generals elements, 33 of the 43 hoplite elements, all 6 bow elements, all 16 javilenmen, and 10 slinger elements. Still to go are 1 cav element, 10 hoplite elements, 16 peltasts elements, 8 Thracian elements and the figures for the baggage. For the baggage I have already constructed the base which represents the ruined walls of Ninevah and it will be populated with pack horses being led by a baggage handler. All need to be ready for MOAB in Sydney (Aus) for the October long weekend.

Regards,

Greg

[JDE]

Currently underway - two HotT armies for the competition later in the year, another Aux for my Zapotecs, another Wb for the Aztecs, the start of Eastern Forest American DBA army, and a shed load of spaceships for Conflict Bristol.
JDE

[Badger]

Originally posted by David Kuijt:
So, what has everyone got on nails right now? I don't mean inactive, been-waiting-for-six-months armies, I mean active in-process being-painted stuff.So have you guys considered that maybe General Kuijt is engaged in some sneaky reconaissance in anticipation of the next few wargaming conventions? :D

[Wanax]

Originally posted by Badger:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by David Kuijt:
So, what has everyone got on nails right now? I don't mean inactive, been-waiting-for-six-months armies, I mean active in-process being-painted stuff.So have you guys considered that maybe General Kuijt is engaged in some sneaky reconaissance in anticipation of the next few wargaming conventions? :D </font>[/QUOTE]yes, but this line of thought is based upon an assumption that what is new is what is played next redface.gif

Wanax

[Ares]

Heroics & Ros 6mm WOTR English on 20mm x 20mm square bases.

very soon... 15mm Maurikian Byzantines (Museum) and Medieval Germans (Essex).

eric

[Scottila]

Originally posted by David Kuijt:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Scottila:
I have been working on a project to create DBA armies for all of the nations in the old TSR Beer & Pretzels fantasy game Divine Right. Those first three will complete it.
I love that game. </font>[/QUOTE]It has been a favorite of mine since it came out in 1980. I played my first copy to death. In '85 I ran into a HS friend at college in Syracuse, who had a copy - unpunched and unplayed. I turned him onto the game, and at the end of the year he just gave me the new copy!

The theory for the DBA conversion is basically 1 counter = x elements of a particular type. The "campaign" is played out on the game map with counters. The battles are blayed with DBA. Each nation generally corresponds to a DBA army list (although I tweak the lists a bit to make them fit in the game's context and the figures I have). The nice thing about that game, is that any of the human nations can be wedged into whatever armies you have available.

The counters are quite simple, so with desktop publishing, one can easily create versions of each nation's counters with the element type indicated. I also had the campaign specific idea of a promotion system. Where a newly raised unit begins life as Ax or Sp3 and then graduates to Sp4 or Bd through battlefield promotion - giving the feel of veteran units.

Another Idea for a game conversion I had was to take GW's Blood Royale - Dynastic politics 1300-1399 - and use dba for the combat. I have no painted figs that period yet though.

Even more blue sky was to use humberside and do AH's War and Peace for Napoleonics, or VG's PaxBritanica for colonials.

Ahhh the legacy of a mis-spent youth - dozens of "favorite" paper wargames.

[ June 12, 2003, 18:37: Message edited by: Scottila ]

[Scottila]

Originally posted by Richard Lee:
...some 25 mm Gothic cavalry which I had intended to paint as Rohirim but decided to paint as Goths instead... From the whay they were portrayed in the flick, I would think the differences would be minimal.

[imported_Richard Lee]

Originally posted by Scottila:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Richard Lee:
...some 25 mm Gothic cavalry which I had intended to paint as Rohirim but decided to paint as Goths instead... From the whay they were portrayed in the flick, I would think the differences would be minimal. </font>[/QUOTE]The reason that they are being treated as Goths and not Rohirim has more to do with different sizes of 25 mm figures. Warrior Miniatures Goths seem to be true 25 mm, and are dwarfed by my Kallistra wood elves.

[Scottila]

Originally posted by Richard Lee:
The reason that they are being treated as Goths and not Rohirim has more to do with different sizes of 25 mm figures. Warrior Miniatures Goths seem to be true 25 mm, and are dwarfed by my Kallistra wood elves. [/QB]I've run into the same problem in 15mm. RalParthia makes (made?) some butch elves that are bigger than my essex humans. I got some Trolls from another manufacturer - cool figs, but on the small side. The elves have a couple of (scale) inches on them!

Don't even get me started on irregular's fantasy "15s" They mix well with some old 25mm D&D figs from way back.

[ June 12, 2003, 18:34: Message edited by: Scottila ]

[David Kuijt]

Originally posted by Badger:
So have you guys considered that maybe General Kuijt is engaged in some sneaky reconaissance in anticipation of the next few wargaming conventions? :D I'm wounded! Wounded, I tell you! smile.gif

As Boyd says, though, the timing isn't right. For a fast painter, the armies you are working on two months before a convention have little or no correspondence to what you use at the convention. I'm painting up some figures (Corvus Belli Cartho Spear) where I don't even have the rest of the army yet. For a slow painter, two months isn't enough advance warning for a convention! I'm sure that there are some speeds of painter where a two-month lag is about right, but I'm not sure I know any such...

[imported_S.Kirby]

Just finishing some river sections and some modern Germans for Dogs of War game. As far as DBA is concerned, am in the middle of doing an Aztec force. Have finished the Ps and Bw elements. Have put a sneek peek pic at the following yahoo group. Did a jaguar skin pattern on the quivers, looks pretty effective. A friend said that the buttocks were too well defined...hmmm. ;)

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/brokenbayonet

Look under photos/SK/aztecs

[Janus]

Currently waiting for some VVV-transfers to finish up my CB Gauls, and just a few days ago I started on my Polybian romans, 3 stands of X:Legion blades to be exact.

Since I am a lousily slow painter, I hope to get them finished before the end of the summer smile.gif

/Daniel

[Robert de Torneberia (2)]

Another Idea for a game conversion I had was to take GW's Blood Royale - Dynastic politics 1300-1399 - and use dba for the combat.

Scottila

I have this game and love it. Let me know what you come up with when adapting it to DBA.

Are you familiar with Imperium Romanum II? It covered the whole Mediterranean world from 100B.C. to 600A.D. It was very detailed, and had a very large map. Empires of the Middle Sea would also be good for DBA campaigns.

RdT

[Basil Bulgar-Slayer]

Originally posted by David Kuijt:
I'm sure that there are some speeds of painter where a two-month lag is about right, but I'm not sure I know any such... Right now, I'm going through one of my power painting phases. However, it's all been devoted to the Russian Civil War/Polish-Soviet War using an AK47 REPUBLIC variant.

Yesterday, I converted, primed, painted (including 14 crew) a 15mm armed Transport Steamer (12 inches long). Also 3 stands of Soviet naval infantry and 7 snipers (the latter for regular AK47).

So what's on the painting table right now? I'm not sure. Maybe I'll just flock around.... :D

[Scottila]

The pain with using BR as a campaign system is the counter density which is a bit too small to convert into army lists, and the a-historical nature of the sides. Everything is a unitary kingdom in the game. When four of the five "kingdoms" in play weren't unifyed until after (in some cases well after) the end of the game.

The base lists to use are easy, Feudal English, Feudal French, Feudal Spanish, Early Imperialist/Medieval German, and Papal or Communal Italian, Then morphing into the Medieval versions of these at some point (or not for ease of play). But at 2-3 Elements per counter it is dificult to make each counter a mono-type. And if counters represent mixed units of element-types, how do you translate battle losses back to the counters to resume the campaign? It's doable, but since I don't have painted lead for this period I haven't given it much thought.

Empiures of the Middle Ages may be better, but it is almost impossible to get a copy of this game for anything I would remotely be willing to pay.

Originally posted by Robert de Torneberia (2):

Are you familiar with Imperium Romanum II? It covered the whole Mediterranean world from 100B.C. to 600A.D.I was not familiar with this one, but I just looked at it online. Your right it would be awesome for the roman to early byz periods. I found a couple of hideously overpriced copies on eBay.

Originally posted by Robert de Torneberia (2):
Empires of the Middle Sea would also be good for DBA campaigns.I remember seeing this in the store once. Tried searching it on eBay, no luck. WebGrognards - strike two. Finally found it under the name "Middle Sea: Empires of the Feudal Age" on google. Then I found it and a variant on webgrog. Looks like it could be interesting.

[Robert de Torneberia (2)]

Originally posted by Scottila:

Empiures of the Middle Ages may be better, but it is almost impossible to get a copy of this game for anything I would remotely be willing to pay.

</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Robert de Torneberia (2):

Are you familiar with Imperium Romanum II? It covered the whole Mediterranean world from 100B.C. to 600A.D.I was not familiar with this one, but I just looked at it online. Your right it would be awesome for the roman to early byz periods. I found a couple of hideously overpriced copies on eBay.

Originally posted by Robert de Torneberia (2):
Empires of the Middle Sea would also be good for DBA campaigns.I remember seeing this in the store once. Tried searching it on eBay, no luck. WebGrognards - strike two. Finally found it under the name "Middle Sea: Empires of the Feudal Age" on google. Then I found it and a variant on webgrog. Looks like it could be interesting. </font>[/QUOTE]I've been wargaming so long (31 years) that my bookshelves are full of out-of-print and orphan collector's items. Of course when I die, my wife or kids can sell them on E-bay. As good as life insurance! ;)

RdT

[Alan Winterrowd]

Originally posted by David Kuijt:
So, what has everyone got on nails right now? I don't mean inactive, been-waiting-for-six-months armies, I mean active in-process being-painted stuff. My painting is so slow that I have given it up almost entirely, having gone almost exclusively to having my troops painted. But I currently am working on, by proxy:
</font> 6mm Roman & Catheginian BBDBA armies, for use at a convention</font> 15mm Komnenan (sp?) Byzantines</font> 6mm troops, based to 25mm standards, for a DBA or HOTT version of Battle of Pelinor Fields & Battle of 5 Armies</font> 15mm Hittite BBDBA army to fight my NKE's</font>

[derek]

Hullo
In ancients, by proxy:
20mm Newline Celts (to be based as 25mm)
15mm Donnington LIR (just enough elements to be able to morph my MIR into LIR)
(Plenty of unpainted lead sitting with various commercial painters until such time as I can afford to pay for the painting thereof - getting divorced last year left a massive hole in my cash flow and finances. I remain the only one who is convinced that s***ping my toy soldier collection for the house was a good deal for me)
Myself, busy touching up some:
1/72 Esci Romans & Barbarians (bought second hand and very well painted for plastics, but needing touch up work in places)
In 15mm, cleaning:
Various Dark Ages prior to sending to commercial painters at some point in the future (If I ever have any money)
Painting lots of 15mm and 1/72 gun emplacements and similar resin scenery collected over the years that I never had time to paint.
Kind Regards
Derek

[ June 16, 2003, 13:38: Message edited by: derek ]

[platypus]

Hi,

On my painting table is (for both DBA and DBM)

All in 15mm

Painting;
3 elements of Aztec Psiloi (Essex)
2 Amazonian boats (Museum)
1 Amazonian CinC (Eureka)
4 elements of Inca Psiloi (Essex)

Cleaning up;
8 elements of Amazonian bow (Eureka)

[Wanax]

My son last night factored my painting for me. He figures that I'm averaging 3 elements a night Monday through Thursday. He noticed this, as I haven't begun painting his Selucid army yet, and he was concerned about the holdup. Truely, the champ is a demanding general smile.gif

The que now stands:

6 chariots
8 elements of Bw/Ax/Ps Ugartic
1 command element PM Samurai
16 French Curasier figs
1 Selucid army with El and sythed chariot :rolleyes:

He had me scrape and glue to paint sticks his Selucid last night thinking to speed me up smile.gif

Wanax

[David Kuijt]

Finished all the previous stuff (and some others -- a couple of elements of Polybian Hastati and Veles).

Now I'm working on something really cool. I haven't got a good EIR/MIR camp yet to go with my Corvus Belli Romans; for a long time I've had an idea that I've just started working on. I'm going to make an "after the battle" diorama for a camp. The idea is that the camp has just successfully defended itself, and now is dealing with the aftermath. So I'm painting up a Tribune and his escort (surveying the field -- Corvus Belli command and legionaries), plus a whole bunch of dead Gauls/Britons (some Corvus Belli "victory and defeat" figures, plus nearly a whole bag of Freikorps Gallic casualties), plus a bunch of Pass O'The North shields and weapons, plus Pass O'The North engineers working with pickaxe and shovel and stuff to repair the berm, and a Po'tN Centurion supervising the work party.

The only unresolved part is whether the wall that was defended should be a proper wooden border fort, or whether it should be a Roman daycamp. I'd sorta prefer a daycamp, but I'm not aware of any source for the proper Roman two-ended wooden stakes in 15mm. Anyone?

[John Meunier]

Originally posted by David Kuijt:
Now I'm working on something really cool. I haven't got a good EIR/MIR camp yet to go with my Corvus Belli Romans; for a long time I've had an idea that I've just started working on. I'm going to make an "after the battle" diorama for a camp. The idea is that the camp has just successfully defended itself, and now is dealing with the aftermath. So I'm painting up a Tribune and his escort (surveying the field -- Corvus Belli command and legionaries), plus a whole bunch of dead Gauls/Britons (some Corvus Belli "victory and defeat" figures, plus nearly a whole bag of Freikorps Gallic casualties), plus a bunch of Pass O'The North shields and weapons, plus Pass O'The North engineers working with pickaxe and shovel and stuff to repair the berm, and a Po'tN Centurion supervising the work party.

The only unresolved part is whether the wall that was defended should be a proper wooden border fort, or whether it should be a Roman daycamp. I'd sorta prefer a daycamp, but I'm not aware of any source for the proper Roman two-ended wooden stakes in 15mm. Anyone? This is the quintessence of coolness.

Suddenly I feel like a DBA slacker. Might as well start using cardboard counters instead of lead figures. Checkers anyone?

JFM

[RonG]

Painted my later pre-islamic arab nomads, (lots of camels), and early byzantine DBA armies. Also finished my Later 4 Samurai 5 man Wbs. Arab camp, oasis and dunes. Projects on schedule are Both Hittite Empire armies, a 25mm Spring and Autumn "other" army.(4 Hch). Thinking of Italian Condotta army. :D

[Joe Mauloni]

1/72nd (plastic) Britons almost ready. Macedonian phalangites on deck.
Neat camp idea. Any problems with the new camp size limits?

[Simon Davey]

Well, in the intervening two days I've managed to undercoat 35 mounted figures with two coats of nice matt black enamel.

Each at their own speed I suppose...

Mind you, my Kerniggits will look splendid once finished....

Yours, in envy of the quick painters,

Simon

[Wanax]

Originally posted by David Kuijt:
The only unresolved part is whether the wall that was defended should be a proper wooden border fort, or whether it should be a Roman daycamp. I'd sorta prefer a daycamp, but I'm not aware of any source for the proper Roman two-ended wooden stakes in 15mm. Anyone? I think that in 15mm this might not appear well. Consider using the flash off the heel of your latest Old Glory figure purchase smile.gif
Wanax

[David Kuijt]

Originally posted by Ducks Bellorum:

Neat camp idea. Any problems with the new camp size limits? No problem -- just do the camp any size you bloody well feel like, and bop the nose of any boob that complains.

Nobody ever complains -- large camps are a disadvantage to the user, not to the enemy.

Further, the new camp size limits may disappear, now that Phil has seen the light and allowed bow in camps to fire 360 degrees.

[David Kuijt]

Originally posted by Wanax:
Consider using the flash off the heel of your latest Old Glory figure purchase smile.gif
Hah! Really. One of the reasons I don't buy Old Glory very often.

[Wanax]

Well now I've done it!

I ordered my Achian and Aztec armies last night from Wargames.

Now that I've finished the Ugaritic, the Selucids are on the top of the list. As much as I dislike Old Glory figs (rough textured, impossible posses), they do make an excellent successor elephant. The chariot came without sythes smile.gif

BTW, David, I was serious. Half of the Selucid Pk had what amounts to a 15mm scale 3.5 foot straight peice of flash hanging off their heels. They would make perfect stakes.

Wanax

[David Kuijt]

Originally posted by Wanax:

BTW, David, I was serious. Half of the Selucid Pk had what amounts to a 15mm scale 3.5 foot straight peice of flash hanging off their heels. They would make perfect stakes.
Mebbe so, but I'm damned if I'll buy Old Glory figures just to get the flash!

[Wanax]

Originally posted by David Kuijt:
[/qb]Mebbe so, but I'm damned if I'll buy Old Glory figures just to get the flash! [/QB][/QUOTE]

I'll save some for you :D

[APHooper]

I have 7 days until the next meeting of the Northgate Ancient Gamers Society, so I am still hopeful that I can finish the Essex Seljuq Army that I'm working on in time. I've got six elements done so far.

I also have a nice Syracusan army that I bought from a British eBay dealer which needs an artillery element and two stands of Cavalry to cover all options. Luckily, I have the necessary components in hand: I picked up 8 painted "Hoplite cavalry" figures at Enfilade last month, and bought a handfull of stone and bolt throwers from Ralph Larsen, a Seattle local who is producing licensed Minifig ancients under the name Headcount Miniatures. They are as small as I remember old Minifigs being, but very nicely executed and easy to paint, including the 4 crew figures.

Should some miracle occur that allows these projects to be finished before the end of the weekend, the next priority is to finish rebasing and touching up a Han Chinese army I purchased several months ago. I'm still trying to figure out what to do with these enourmously long chariots that won't fit on a 40mm base....

[Paul A. Hannah]

Originally posted by APHooper:
I have 7 days until the next meeting of the Northgate Ancient Gamers Society, so I am still hopeful that I can finish the Essex Seljuq Army that I'm working on in time. I've got six elements done so far.Now that our oppressive heat wave has passed and cool (painting) weather has returned here to Seattle, you just might get those Seljuq Turks done, Andy. Looking at the DBA lists, I think they list everybody but Samurai and Sumerians as opponents. (Grins.)

Seeing Big Al get squished by one of the Indian jumbos at our DBA Game Night last week, I thought I would get around to adding the "El" option for my Alexandrian Imperial army (although the "Art" option is, tactically, probably the better option). I'm finishing that Elephant now...

[ June 18, 2003, 20:44: Message edited by: Paul A. Hannah ]

[APHooper]

Paul A. Hannah wrote:
"Now that our oppressive heat wave has passed and cool (painting) weather has returned here to Seattle, you just might get those Seljuq Turks done, Andy. Looking at the DBA lists, I think they list everybody but Samurai and Sumerians as opponents. (Grins.)"

And they have just about as many nations or peoples contributing troops. This was the army that came out 4 stands of LH short when I opened it up, and I've been sewing extra limbs on ever since. So, this is the mix I'm planning to finish:

One stand Khurasanian Ghulam Knights (3Kn)
One stand Askari Cavalry with General (3Cav)
One stand Seljuq Tribal Cavalry (3Cav)
4 Stands of Turcoman Light Horse (2LH)
2 stands of Kurdish Light Horse (2LH)
2 stands of Armenian Light Horse (2LH)
2 Stands of Syrian or Arab Light Horse (2LH)
One stand Cuman javelin troops (4Ax)
One stand Seljuq spearmen (4Sp)
One stand Dailami spearmen (3Ax)
One stand Seljuq Crossbow (3Bw)
One stand Turcoman bowmen (4bw)
One stand Dailami skirmishers (2Ps)
One stand Ghurid Skirmishers (2Ps)

And when fighting as the Seljuqs of Rum resurgent in the 13th Century, I can rotate in a stand of Frankish knights to replace the Khurasanians. I THINK this covers all the options for both lists, except I probably need one more light horse stand to be able to put 11 on the field for the most extreme of the "B" options. But I'm confident that no one will want to run 11 light horse and one Cavalry general if they don't have to.

So, bring on those Moreans!

[Basil Bulgar-Slayer]

Originally posted by APHooper:
But I'm confident that no one will want to run 11 light horse and one Cavalry general if they don't have to.If you're willing to use a decent-sized game area (say 30x30 in 15mm), I will take the 11 LH.

[APHooper]

Originally posted by Basil Bulgar-Slayer:
If you're willing to use a decent-sized game area (say 30x30 in 15mm), I will take the 11 LH.Agh, this is brutally off-topic. But in I go.

What else would you like, Basil? Rocket-assisted ponies? Giant Electric Penguins with green tentacles that sting people? I'd like to change the BUA rules so that attacking from more than one face would give the defender a minus, but that doesn't seem to be happening my lifetime. Personally, I think Phil will approve a larger standard 15mm board size when pigs (and light horse) fly.

Besides, given 11 elements that move 500p per bound, a good player ought to be able to win on a standard board even when facing more nominally impressive armies. I think it takes something most DBA players are seriously lacking -- patience. I've never felt that the ability to rip off ten inch double moves that sweep around the enemy was the real strength of light horse. Rather, it is the ability to move to contact from a distance at which no more powerful enemy units can preemptively contact them. An opponent who refuses to budge may end up being impossible to break, but how many DBA players have the patience to just sit there and wait if you refuse to move to contact for a bound or two? Most give in to the temptation to come get you, and that usually gives you an opening.

If you really want to set the LH free, take away the -2 for attacking a unit in bad going when they are not in bad going themselves. This would give them at least a chance of dealing with missile troops without facing certain doom.

[imported_Richard Lee]

Originally posted by APHooper:
What else would you like, Basil? Rocket-assisted ponies? Giant Electric Penguins with green tentacles that sting people? [/QB]Thank you. You are giving me some interesting ideas for Hordes of the Things.

[Scottila]

Originally posted by APHooper:
If you really want to set the LH free, take away the -2 for attacking a unit in bad going when they are not in bad going themselves. This would give them at least a chance of dealing with missile troops without facing certain doom. That's actually a really good idea. It's not like the Lh are going in to the BGo after them.

[Wanax]

Hey, this was a really interesting thread. How'd it get so off topic so fast?

As an aside to the actual topic, I have three armies that I've painted up but not gamed against anyone yet. Anyone else in this boat?

Wanax

[David Kuijt]

Originally posted by Wanax:

As an aside to the actual topic, I have three armies that I've painted up but not gamed against anyone yet. Anyone else in this boat?
Only three?

[RonG]

Never, always use them at least once, well maybe twice. Okay, okay, as many times as I can. Geez you guys are tough on me! :D

[Dhingis Khan]

What am I working on? When the broken bone in my right hand heals, (splint coming off in eight days) about two hundred AWI infantry, thirty cavalry, six guns and four wagons want to be painted so they can join the two hundred foot I did before the break. When that has been done, I could paint up some plastic Crusaders, or some WWII Russians and Germans, or I could buy 15mm Nappys to face my old French. On the other hand, those Mirliton Swiss have been whispering tales of "buy us". Sigh.

[Ed Dillon]

Originally posted by Dhingis Khan:
On the other hand, those Mirliton Swiss have been whispering tales of "buy us". Sigh. They must have calmed down a bit then. At Nashcon they were fairly screaming "BUY US!" It was good to meet Simone too. He's a great guy.
BTW, Sorry to hear about your hand. I hope that it heals completely!

[ June 24, 2003, 20:57: Message edited by: Ed Dillon ]

[GAZMAN]

I have had a pretty good spate of finished elements from the painting pit recently.
This week has seen the following finished:
1 - two elements of 28mm gripping beast moorish archers for early moorish Psiloi, completing my army now.
2 - one element of English longbow, GW platic figures, come up nicely when painted.
3 - one element of Vendel greek cavalry, lovely stuff.
4 - a finished converted king Juba with Spanish body guard to head up my Numidians.

All 28mm stuff, I have sort of come to a halt on the 15m stuff as it looks like 15mm and 25mm DBA are about to collide and amalgamate into identical ratios. Although the arrival of some very nice POTN Ostrogoths has got me a little excited.
GAZMAN

[Wanax]

In the last week, I've completed the Ugaritic last option element, painted the Selucid army entirely, and begun scraping and preping the Aztecs and Achaeans smile.gif

Labor of love is not work at all.

Wanax :cool:

[orca]

I just read a reply from GAZMAN that implies a melding of 15mm & 25mm scales.

What does this mean!?!?!

[imported_Ivan Nastikov]

Melding of 15 and 25mm scales - it concerns battlefield size.
at present the 15mm battlefield is 2,400 paces square and the 25mm field is 3,000 paces square.
If the 25mm battlefield is reduced to 2,400 paces then the games will play the same, just in different sizes.
I collect 15 and 25mm armies because they plat different. Five bits of BG in 15mm covers a LOT more board area in percentage terms than five areas of BG in 25mm.
If the two 'games' become synchronised this difference will be lost and there will be no point on collecting both. IMHO a loss of variety and interest. I will return to 25mm exclusively. It's not a big deal and I wouldn't even think of lobbying Mr Barker to stop the ammendment as it will create a synchronicity between the two scales. I just find the two scales play slightly different and any excuse to own two armies has to be applauded.
IVAN

[imported_big jerry]

WORKING ON 25MM FROUNDY GREEKS THAT I PICKUP WHEN YOU COULD BUY THEM ONE FIGUIRE AT A TIME IN THE GOOD OLD DAYS. MAKING A SPARTA DBA FOR FUN. ALSO WORKING ON CROSSBOW MEN FOR MY BURMEES ARMY BECAUSE OF THE CHANGE IN DBA ARMY LIST " WHAT A PAIN "
SORRY DO NOT LIKE THE IDEA OF 15MM & 52MM TOGETHER.
KEEP ON PAINTING. smile.gif

[imported_Koen DS]

Just got back from Sweden where we got married, and after adapting to having to get to work again, I've now gone back to the painting table. On it are:

* 1 batallion of 28mm Dutch-Belgian 1815 Militia and two artillery batteries I'm doing for a friend

* A 15mm Corvus Belli ox cart

* two elements of 15mm Corvus Belli Roman legionaries for my ever increasing EIR army (just had to get those CB figures)

* 3 extra elements of 15mm TTM Sarmatian Kn to finish off my Later Sarmatian army (http://www.fanaticus.org/DBA/armiesofthefanatici/KoenDeSmedt/index.html).

* Two 15mm Steve Barber cottages for use as a BUA (using variant rules :D )

* 10 or so 28mm Foundry and Gripping Beast Vikings for a skirmish game I hope to set up sometime this summer (Vinland)

* Some 28mm French Late Imperial fusiliers I'm painting up for a vignette

Depending on the time I have avaliable, these should be finished in a week or three. By then my 6mm Baccus GNW Swedes will have arrived, and I'll be doing those, and some more Romans and 1815 Dutch Belgians over the next month or so. BTW, for the NW we'll probably use Phil's new rules.

Cheers,
Koen

[GAZMAN]

I finished ANOTHER Early Libyan army last night (apart from the matt varnish top coat)
They are 28mm Gripping Beast figures, I got them Saturday morning. They look pretty good, i put a lot of effort into the bases to get them to look interesting - willl post a pic to Chris. The Libyans will be debuting at Bovington.
Next up back to 15mm and some POTN Goths!
GAZMAN

[CT Yankee]

Originally posted by Koen DS:
Just got back from Sweden where we got married, and after adapting to having to get to work again, I've now gone back to the painting table. A newlywed who's actually got time to paint? This is unheard of. Congratualtions on both your stamina and your ability to find an understanding bride!