Fanaticus Historical Personality Figure [Archive]

Chris Brantley

12-01-2002, 02:39 AM

Since there are only seven options allowed in the Fanaticus mini-poll, and to avoid having to conduct a multiple series of polls to reach a final choice, I need your input to narrow down the list of options for a Fanaticus historical personalty figure.

First of all, here are some suggested ground rules:

1) the figure shouldn't already be available from another manufacturer,
2) the figure should be from a reasonably popular (i.e. not obscure) army and/or "generic" enough to promote broadest possible utility to Fanaticus gamers,
3) per Fernando, no figures that require elephants or scale armor, and
4) there should be a widely accepted image or representation of the figure that Fernando can use as a guide to create the figure.

With that introduction, here is a list of possible options that I have compiled from previous feedback and my own research:

Alexander the Great (Macedonians)
Ghenghis Khan (Mongols)
Trajan (EIRoman)
Charlemagne (Carolingians)
Belisarius (Early Byzantines)
Hannibal (Carthaginians)
Scipio Africanus (Polybian Roman)
Vercingettorix (Gallic)
William I (Norman)
Julius Caesar (Marian Roman)
Jugurtha (Numidians)
Charles the Bold (Burgundians)
Joan of Arc (Medieval French)
Richard the Lionheart (Later Crusader)
Saladin (Ayyubid Egyptians)
Stilicho (Late Imperial Roman)
Aetius (Patrician Roman)
Attila the Hun (Huns)
Alaric (Visigoths)
Ramesses II (New Kingdom Egyptian)
Xerxes (Early Achaemenid Persian)
Sargon (Akkad)
Robert the Bruce (Scots Common)

Julius Caesar, Alexander the Great, Hannibal and perhaps Joan of Arc are available from other manufacturers, but are included here since they were recommended previously as options.

What names would you add?

Which seven would you prefer to vote on?

[ November 30, 2002, 23:57: Message edited by: Chris Brantley ]

Jeff Caruso

12-01-2002, 03:17 AM

Batman.

Ken Blackley

12-01-2002, 03:49 AM

Hmmmmm . . . .which should I pick . . . hmmm ... I wonder .... how about ... Charles the Bold? smile.gif

Ken Blackley

Ares

12-01-2002, 04:47 AM

Any of the Romans or their adversaries would have broad appeal.

A good figure of Joan or Charlemagne would be nice.

Personally, I'll eventually get around to an early Byzantine army, so a figure of Belisarius would be the cat's pajamas - is there info for criteria #4, though?

Eric

Hannibal Ad Portas

12-01-2002, 05:08 AM

How about a Greek leader?? Maybe Alcibiades? Epaminondas? Leonidas? Achilles? Ulysses!! Yeah....I would vote for a Ulysses character to go with my Mycenean army!!

Nickpes1805

12-01-2002, 06:06 AM

I would go for Belisarius :D ,and if thats not possible :( ,then Richard the Lionheart and Trajan.Why Henry V is not on the list??? :(

Have a nice month
Nick(3)

Nickpes1805

12-01-2002, 06:14 AM

Oh,and Edward the Black Prince offcourse! smile.gif

George Gouveia

12-01-2002, 07:16 AM

Henry V the slayer of innocent French. What a guy?

imported_Richard Lee

12-01-2002, 08:20 AM

From the names on the list my vote would be for Vercingettorix, Scipio Africanus or Hannibal. If you could find an image, how about Flavius Claudius Julianus, known as "Julian The Apostate"?

He may not have ultimately succeeded, but he tried bravely.

derek

12-01-2002, 08:22 AM

Hullo
My first preference is:
1)Hannibal (Carthaginians) smile.gif
2)Scipio Africanus (Polybian Roman)
3)Jugurtha (Numidians) smile.gif
4)Trajan (EIRoman) smile.gif
5)William I (Norman) smile.gif
6)Ghenghis Khan or Subodai (Mongols)
7)Edward the Black Prince (100 Yrs War)
8)Belisarius (Early Byzantines)
9)Attila the Hun (Fall of Rome in the West
10)any of the others on the list put forward by Chris.
I have left off Alexander the Great because Gladiator makes a fine mounted figure originally sculpted by Josef Ochmann.
Who makes a figure of Hannibal in 15mm?
Kind Regards
Derek

[ December 01, 2002, 06:29: Message edited by: derek ]

Chris Brantley

12-01-2002, 12:30 PM

Originally posted by derek:
Who makes a figure of Hannibal in 15mm?FreiKorps 15 sells a number of personality packs, including:

HG21 Phillip II, Alexander, Phillip V.
HG26 Seleucus, Antigonus One Eye, Attalos I of Pergamon.
RE14 Roman Personalities, “The Triumvirate”.- Caesar, Pompey, Crassus
RE36 Republican Personalities- Scipio, Fabius, Varro.
RE55 Personalities- Hannibal, Hasdrubal, Mago.

As I recall, the Hannibal figure is seated on a box, and could be mounted on an elephant or otherwise placed on a command stand as if watching the action.

Figures available from LKM Direct/East Riding Miniatures.

gsa

12-01-2002, 03:24 PM

My vote goes to the first seven on the original list, in the same order of preference. Ideally I'd have liked to see El Cid included but I guess that is not possible since he would have to be modelled with mail armour.

Steve Aspinall

Lazarus

12-01-2002, 04:28 PM

As a HYW enthusiast, I also would like to see a good figure of Edward the Black Prince. I think Joan of Arc would be my second choice.

David Kuijt

12-01-2002, 05:27 PM

Originally posted by gsa:
Ideally I'd have liked to see El Cid included but I guess that is not possible since he would have to be modelled with mail armour.
You're confusing mail armour with scale armour. They aren't the same. Fernando requested no scale armour.

Ivan

12-01-2002, 05:54 PM

My preferred 7, in no particular order, and bearing in mind that there needs to be a good likeness of them somewhere...

Socrates (Yes, he really did fight as a hoplite, and apparently with some distinction)

Pyrrhus of Epirus

Demetrius Poliorcetes ('the besieger')

Emperor Constantine (the one who first converted to Christianity, I think he would actually go in the Late Roman East list, not the Byzantines or Patricians.)

Xenophon (not sure if there is an image of him though.)

Joan of Arc

Charles the Bold (considering the popularity of Burgundian Ordonnance armies, it is insane that no one has made this figure yet!)

Not only are Caesar and Pompey available from Friekorps, but Testudo does them as well, so I really think we should steer clear of them.

Gregorius

12-01-2002, 08:30 PM

As I game in 20mm/25mm I would be happy to buy whatever figure was sculpted! Just to have one done by Fernando would be great. However, I would like to add another name(s) to the mix. smile.gif What about Bohemond of Taranto or Godfrey de Boulion (sp?) for those interested in the 1st Crusade?

hammurabi70

12-01-2002, 10:28 PM

Can one have Caesar Augustus? Great Empire man!

Other positives:
Socrates
Constantine
Hannibal
Joan
Boudicca
Alexander

David Kuijt

12-02-2002, 02:16 AM

Originally posted by hammurabi70:

BoudiccaYour prayer is pre-answered! Fernando has already carved one of these -- it's already available. Code 150041. There's a picture, too:
www.corvusbelli.com/fotosgrandes/150041.jpg (http://www.corvusbelli.com/fotosgrandes/150041.jpg)

Ed Dillon

12-02-2002, 02:22 AM

Would King Arthur count as a pseudo-historical figure? I suppose that he's probably already available from other sources. How about St. Olaf, Cnut, or Harald Hardrada?

Martian

12-02-2002, 06:45 AM

My $.02!

Hannibal (Carthaginians)
Scipio Africanus (Polybian Roman)

Richard the Lionheart (Later Crusader)
Saladin (Ayyubid Egyptians)

Robert the Bruce (Scots Common)
Hmmm...No William Wallace?

Martin

[ December 02, 2002, 03:48: Message edited by: Martian ]

Fernando Liste

12-02-2002, 07:04 AM

Here are my votes: take them just as yours! smile.gif

Saladin
Genghis Khan
Arthur Pengragon (is it valid?)
Joanne D'Arc (as Milla Jovovic, of course) smile.gif
Vlad Tepes (the Impaler)
El Cid Campeador
May I vote for William Wallace non historical (Braveheart)? smile.gif

Fernando

PS: with scale armour I meant "dragon armour" as our Roman cavalry 150033... I hate sculpting them! smile.gif

Thomo the Lost

12-02-2002, 12:08 PM

Originally posted by Ken Blackley:
Hmmmmm . . . .which should I pick . . . hmmm ... I wonder .... how about ... Charles the Bold? smile.gif Well I would have thought that Phillip the Good was a possibility for you then - after all, he was the one who made it all possible for Chuck!

smile.gif

David Kuijt

12-02-2002, 12:59 PM

Perhaps someone with some time on his hands ought to put up a single webpage that combines all the information about what personality figures are available, and by what manufacturers. Combining all the info into a single page would seem to be useful, not only for this decision but for the long term.

hammurabi70

12-02-2002, 02:14 PM

Right. Now we have a [long] list can we actually agree on what basis a name should feature? What is the reasons by which one character achieves the necessary prominence and comes first on the list? [Not by votes but what are the key determinants: success, heroic endeavour, honourable failure......]
:confused:

Pozanias

12-02-2002, 03:49 PM

Originally posted by hammurabi70:
Right. Now we have a [long] list can we actually agree on what basis a name should feature? What is the reasons by which one character achieves the necessary prominence and comes first on the list? [Not by votes but what are the key determinants: success, heroic endeavour, honourable failure......]
:confused: No. There's no way we will agree on key determinants. And even if we could, we wouldn't be able to agree on who was the biggest success, or most heroic, etc.

But, that doesn't mean we can't talk about it. smile.gif

Jeff Caruso

12-02-2002, 04:14 PM

My top three:

1)Genghis Khan
2)Arthur Pendragon
3)William Wallace as played my Mel Gibson charging across the field of battle,sword held aloft.

Jeff

Manchego1

12-02-2002, 04:36 PM

El CID !!! EL CID !!! We need him!! (But not with Charlton Heston face!!!)

Redwilde

12-02-2002, 04:41 PM

My top vote would be for William Marshall (spanning both Anglo-Norman and Feudal English) I'd love to see the older Marshall with his helmet off, long white hair flowing as he leads the charge against the French at the Fair at Lincoln.

Otherwise from previous suggestions:
Joan
Vlad
Henry V
The Bruce

Ed Dillon

12-03-2002, 01:05 AM

Originally posted by David Kuijt:
Perhaps someone with some time on his hands ought to put up a single webpage that combines all the information about what personality figures are available, and by what manufacturers. Combining all the info into a single page would seem to be useful, not only for this decision but for the long term.Thanks for volunteering! redface.gif

Stelzone

12-03-2002, 01:28 AM

The face on the Coin, it is for the Fanaticus site. And even thought that view isn't that good there is at least one great painting done of him surrendering to Caesar that would be a nice mini pose, with the weapons and armor on him of course. It should reflect us as a group and not just DBA as a whole.

Of course this is all IMHO. tongue.gif

Mike

David Kuijt

12-03-2002, 02:58 AM

Originally posted by Ed Dillon:
Thanks for volunteering! redface.gif Hah! Remind me to try to spank your army in an embarrassing fashion this weekend!

No, when I get some free time my first priority is to throw more piccies up on the 15mm figure review website -- I'm about five armies (six months) behind, and getting further behind every day.

David Crowell

12-03-2002, 05:59 PM

Ghengis Khan
Leonidas
Arthur King of the Britons

Are my top three

El' Jocko

12-03-2002, 08:13 PM

One angle that I don't think I've seen mentioned is going for the ranges that Corvus Belli currently makes, i.e., Celts and Early Imperial Romans. Would you want to take a figure sculpted by Corvus Belli and put it at the head of an army from some other company?

This would make Trajan a particulary good choice...he's well known and successful, the Romans are obviously a popular choice, and he can lead an army of Corvus Belli figures to victory!

- Jack

Pozanias

12-03-2002, 08:25 PM

Originally posted by El' Jocko:
One angle that I don't think I've seen mentioned is going for the ranges that Corvus Belli currently makes, i.e., Celts and Early Imperial Romans. Would you want to take a figure sculpted by Corvus Belli and put it at the head of an army from some other company?

This would make Trajan a particulary good choice...he's well known and successful, the Romans are obviously a popular choice, and he can lead an army of Corvus Belli figures to victory!

- JackOr even better, Marcus Aurelius -- excellent general and all around good guy.

Additionally, your argument also gives more support for Vercingettorix (the Fanaticus logo). That would make Mike Stelzer very happy.

I would like to ammend my list to include these two guys. I will drop Achilles as it will be impossible to find a "widely accepted image" of him (seeing as we don't even know if he existed).

So, my new list is:

* Marcus Aurelius
* Vercingettorix
* William Wallace
* Belisarius
* Vlad

I will delete my old post.

Mark

Fernando Liste

12-03-2002, 08:42 PM

Jeff Caruso

12-04-2002, 12:05 AM

quote:
__________________________________________________
Originally posred by Fernando:
And you all know that our miniatures fight better than others theirselves... let's help with a charismatical leader to all those less brave warriors over there :D

Well, I hope any other company don't take legal actions due to this sentence...

Fernando
__________________________________________________

Them sounds like fightin' words, boy!!! tongue.gif

Now how do we settle this over a wargame table?

Jeff

Jim Rapczynski

12-04-2002, 02:49 AM

Before I even get started - why no Poles? Well, okay...

First of all I think that the most appropriate figure to begin with for this project is the "Confused General" so bravo for that decision.

Secondly, if I may direct my comments to Fernando. Obviously there seems to be a need for well-sculpted personality figures in 15mm for wargaming. Perhaps you could go further along this road than merely one personality and begin to turn one out every now and again as a sort of break from regular lines and what would seem to me (ignorant as I may be about the process, etc.)to be an interesting artistic exercise. Furthermore I think that you could base many of them on movie portrayals, because for better or worse, many of our images of historical figures are based on them. (How about an "Arthur, King of the Britos" based on Monty Python's Graham Chapman?) :D Hopefuly you would not have any licensing issues.

Returning to a position of a single vote, I would say a Jovovich-like Joan of Arc (Rrrowl) would be an excellent choice.

Regards,

Ed Dillon

12-04-2002, 05:45 AM

Originally posted by David Kuijt:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Ed Dillon:
[qb]Thanks for volunteering! redface.gif Hah! Remind me to try to spank your army in an embarrassing fashion this weekend!QB][/QUOTE]Yeah, like my post changed anything there.... ;)

David Crowell

12-04-2002, 11:19 AM

Originally posted by Fernando Liste:
[QUOTE]I'm tired of Celts and Romans! smile.gif
Please something different!

FernandoThat is why I vote for Ghengis Khan. Even though I do not have a Mongol Army. He is a well known personality and not a Roman or a Celt.

Thomo the Lost

12-04-2002, 12:37 PM

Originally posted by Manchego1:
El CID !!! EL CID !!! We need him!! (But not with Charlton Heston face!!!)What, the live Cid or the dead Cid - now that could be interesting - a mounted personality figure with a lumo of 4 x 2 up his ..... sorry .... back :)

Cheers, Thomo the Lost

Manchego1

12-04-2002, 02:20 PM

What, the live Cid or the dead Cid Very interesting!!! The dead Cid on his horse Babieca!!! Still better, it could be a multi-pose figure, allowing to represent the live Cid and the Dead Cid just by adding a piece on his back. Well, and painting the dead Cid a bit pale..... :D

imported_Toft

12-04-2002, 03:19 PM

What about Salah al-Din (Saladin)! He's neither Roman or Celt and is generally well known.

Dhingis Khan

12-04-2002, 08:46 PM

Jeanne D'Arc.

miros

12-05-2002, 11:28 AM

My list:
Charlemagne
El Cid
Arthur Pendragon
Robert Guiscard
Alexius Comnenus
Saladin
Richard Lionheart
Belisarius
Narses
Genghis Khan

Darren Buxbaum

12-05-2002, 11:56 AM

My list:
Janos Hunyadi
Matthias Corvinus
Vlad Dracula
Stephan the Great of Moldavia
George Castroites
Stephan Lazar
Jan Zizka
Polish King Wladyslaw Jagiello
Grand Duke Witold of Lithuania
Mehemmed II "The Conqueror"
Beyzid "The Thunderbolt"
Osman
Timur Link
Edward III
Edward POW
Edward I
Bertrand du Geusclin
Sir John Chandos
Hugh Caverly
King Jean "The Good" of France
King Phillip IV of France
Captal de Buch
Winkelried
Charles "The Bold"
Alexander Nevsky

The WOR gang (Henry, Margaret, Edward, Warwick, etc...)

These are some of the personalities that I would love to see done some time.

Cheers,
Darren

[ December 05, 2002, 08:58: Message edited by: Darren Buxbaum ]

Basil Bulgar-Slayer

12-05-2002, 06:09 PM

Can't anyone make just ONE choice!?!?!

Of course, you could do the Confused Commander through the ages. <Your Supreme Being Of Choice - or Non-Choice> certainly knows it is appropriate.

Jeez! Now I can't pick one!

David Kuijt

12-05-2002, 06:30 PM

Edward I of England. Called "Longshanks" and (later in life) the "Hammer of the Scots". Kicked *** , took names. Fought against the rebellious Barons of England under his father; conquered Wales and made it stick, conquered Scotland and would have made it stick if his son hadn't been such a weenie. Considered in his prime to be the finest knight in Christendom.

Naw, forget it -- do William the Marshal instead. In his youth he was a combination Tiger Woods/Michael Jordan of the tournament circuit; in his old age he led as Marshal of England and fought the French at the Battle of Lincoln; in between he served four Kings of England (Henry, Henry, Richard and John) and may have been more powerful and respected than they were. Regent of England for a while, too.

No, wait -- do Eleanor of Aquitaine. Married King Philip of France; gave him over to marry young King Henry of England. Sculpt her as a young Katherine Hepburn (ref. "The Lion In Winter" for Katherine Hepburn playing her in old age)

No, wait again -- Charlemagne. Big Chuck!

Or do one of Charles the Bold catching a halberd between his teeth. Or Richard Couer-de-lion catching a crossbow bolt at that siege, going "D'OH!" Or maybe Bayezit the Thunderbolt in a cage, as he was displayed after Tamurlane showed him that no matter how good you are, there's always somebody better.

Nickpes1805

12-05-2002, 06:39 PM

I will end this discussion by suggesting the ultimate solution!!! :eek:

MYSELF!!!! :D

What,don't you agree??? :rolleyes:

Seriously,althought I voted already,I would like Belisarius!!!PLEASE!!! :cool:

Nick(3)

cpagano

12-05-2002, 11:07 PM

I'd like a figure of the woman who killed Pyrrhus of Epirus by throwing the roof tile that hit him in the head
...Seriously.

Has history recorded her name?

-Chris Pagano

E_A_Lindberg

12-05-2002, 11:10 PM

If there's a concensus growing here, I sure can't find it! However, since everyone's piling on, I guess I'll throw out my completely unrelated suggestions:

Margaret of Anjou: Could also fill in as any 15th century noblewoman. I also like Dave K's idea of sculpting Eleanor of Aquitaine as Katherine Hepburne. (You can do that in 15mm??!)

Bartolomeo Colleone: Based on the statue by Verrocchio (http://www.ac-grenoble.fr/Ecole.Hoteliere/venise/statue_du_colleone.htm). An elderly man on horseback in a heroic pose in full plate armor and an elaborate open-faced helmet. (Come to think of it, Mirliton may already have done this one. -- Nope. Just checked, they've got Tolentino, Gattamelata, Montefeltro, and Attendolo, but no Colleone.)

Kuan Yu: Three Kingdoms era Chinese general, later revered as a god of war. In fact, there's a rather nice painting by Kuniyoshi depicting Kuan Yu playing Go (http://igs.joyjoy.net/English/art/boneshaving.html) while his arm is tended to by a surgeon. The game-playing aspect would be appropriate.

Spartacus: As Kirk Douglas from Kubrik's movie. So why not? (http://imagecache2.allposters.com/images/54/039_6059.jpg) OK, so the result would probably just look like a fairly buff guy in a ratty tunic riding a horse. You mean that chin cleft wouldn't show up in 15mm? :D

Hannibal Ad Portas

12-06-2002, 12:18 AM

I think there have been quite a few requests for El Cid and for Spartacus. Donnington does a Spartacus figure....it isn't the greatest, but it is serviceable. El Cid would be a good choice....especially if he is modeled after the Charlton Heston movie character!

cpagano

12-06-2002, 12:30 AM

Originally posted by Nick:

MYSELF!!!! :D

Be careful of what you wish for. He may add you to the wrong side of his 'victory and defeat' line!

Nickpes1805

12-06-2002, 05:32 AM

[/qb][/QUOTE]Be careful of what you wish for. He may add you to the wrong side of his 'victory and defeat' line![/QB][/QUOTE]

Hahaha :D :D :D Thats was very clever and very funny indeed.I almost feel my head is missing :eek:

And another personality I'd like,Nikephoros Phokas(the one for the Nikephorian Byzantine army).He was as great as Belisarius,and he began the Byzantine revival.

Nick

E_A_Lindberg

12-06-2002, 11:15 AM

One minor nit-pick. Since I lack imagination, I have trouble figuring out how some of these historical figures would be identified as specific personalities. Shouldn't they be based on a famous portrait, or on some movie portrayal, or even on a description of distinctive armor, clothing, or physical attribute?

For example, how would a Hannibal figure be distinguished from any other Carthaginian command figure? (Not that a nicely-sculpted Carthaginian command figure by Fernando would be a bad thing, mind you.)

[ December 06, 2002, 08:23: Message edited by: E_A_Lindberg ]

Nickpes1805

12-06-2002, 11:22 AM

For most of them there are depictions such as in mosaics,paints,coins or statues.For sme of them we'll never now if they are the "Real Thing",but they can be a good source.

imported_wmereseigh

12-06-2002, 03:00 PM

Just playing Devil's advocate;for the historical figure, how about Phil Barker as Alexander or some such?

gwrfelling

12-06-2002, 04:40 PM

How about Cao Cao of the later Han dynasty, or even a triple-fig of the oath-brothers, Liu Bei, Guan Yu, and Zhang Fei?

What about Minamoto Yo****sune, Oda Nobunaga, Takeda Shingen, Uesugi Kenshin, Toyotomi Hideyoshi, or Tokugawa Ieyasu?

Bill Sumruld

12-06-2002, 07:40 PM

How about Scipio Africanus? After all, he defeated Hannibal after he had accomplished wonders in Spain. And, we do have a famous bust of this guy. A bald general, might be just the thing. ;)

cpagano

12-06-2002, 11:30 PM

Originally posted by E_A_Lindberg:
One minor nit-pick...
...how would a Hannibal figure be distinguished from any other Carthaginian command figure?Why of course, there would be "Hannibal" written in large letters on the base!, so stop nit-picking :D

Originally posted by wmereseigh:
...how about Phil Barker as Alexander or some such?Oh No!, I thought we were rid of the Phil Barker idea!
It was only your first post, wmereseigh, and already I'm disagreeing with you.
Welcome!

So long as people are roaming far and wide with these ideas, how about something from mythology, like a Cyclops (to fight as an El or Sch) or the oracle at Delphi (I think it was Delphi? - it could be used as a camp)? Ok, I suppose that neither of these would have very wide appeal, so bad ideas. I was just thinking out loud.

Personally I'd like to see Hannibal, but since the to-be-produced 'confused general' is ancient, perhaps the historical figure should be medieval to balance things out.

-Chris Pagano

[ December 06, 2002, 20:44: Message edited by: cpagano ]

David Kuijt

12-07-2002, 02:41 AM

Originally posted by wmereseigh:
Just playing Devil's advocate;for the historical figure, how about Phil Barker as Alexander or some such?BWAHAHAHAHahhaaaahahahahehehehehe ...
Phil Barker is in good health for a 70-ish year old man, but there is NO WAY he can pull off looking like a slim, athletic, 25-year-old Greek blonde greek fellow. Not without dropping 100 lbs and 50 years and becoming blonde!

etJake

12-07-2002, 05:09 AM

The Nine Worthies - Hector, Alexander the Great, Julius Caeser, Joshus, David, Judas Maccabeus, Arthur Pendragon, Charlemagne, and Godfrey of Bouillon

Thomo the Lost

12-07-2002, 12:37 PM

Originally posted by David Kuijt:
BWAHAHAHAHahhaaaahahahahehehehehe ...
Phil Barker is in good health for a 70-ish year old man, but there is NO WAY he can pull off looking like a slim, athletic, 25-year-old Greek blonde greek fellow. Not without dropping 100 lbs and 50 years and becoming blonde![/QB]Ah, well to borrow from Dave Allen and his tale of the skull of Brian Boru, perhaps Phil could be the model for what Alex WOULD have looked like if he'd followed the Cleo diet and lifestyle advice :)

Cheers, Thomo the Lost

imported_Zopenco_

12-08-2002, 06:58 PM

Originally posted by Fernando Liste:
Here are my votes: take them just as yours! smile.gif

Saladin
Genghis Khan
Arthur Pengragon (is it valid?)
Joanne D'Arc (as Milla Jovovic, of course) smile.gif
Vlad Tepes (the Impaler)
El Cid Campeador
May I add my vote to the Jeanne Darc / Jovovich option?

E_A_Lindberg

12-08-2002, 07:15 PM

Originally posted by Zopenco_:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Fernando Liste:
Joanne D'Arc (as Milla Jovovic, of course) smile.gif
May I add my vote to the Jeanne Darc / Jovovich option?[/QUOTE]Nobody will suggest Maria Falconetti (http://i.imdb.com/Photos/Mptv/1267/19911_0002.jpg)? (The first movie Joan of Arc, for those not completely hooked into movie history)

Actually, I like most of the ideas that people have suggested.