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05-05-2012, 10:38 AM
Long ago, when Sue published preliminary 3.0 army lists; bulk of Scots-Irish army consisted of AX. Does anyone know if that has been tweaked into something else by Phil? Just curious.
05-05-2012, 12:06 PM
Ammianus I have:
II/54a Scots-Irish Army 55 BC-432 AD: 1 x General in 2 horse, 2 crew chariot (LCh), 2 x chariots (LCh), 1 x chariots (LCh) or Fianna (Wb) or warriors (Ax), 6 x warriors (Ax), 2 x skirmishing javelinmen (Ps).
Terrain Type: Littoral. Aggression: 3. Enemies: II/53, II/54a, II/56, II/60, II/64a, II/68a, II/78a, II/81a, II/81b.
II/54b Scots-Irish Army 433-846 AD: 1 x General in chariot (LCh) or on foot (4Ax), 9 x warriors (Ax), 1 x skirmishing javelinmen (Ps) 1 x saint and praying monks (Hd) or skirmishing javelinmen (Ps).
Terrain Type: Littoral. Aggression: 3. Enemies: II/54b, II/68a, II/68b, II/81b, II/81c, II/81d, III/19a, III/40a, III/40b.
However in the variant list section of Fanaticus someone has done some stirling work on the list so have a look there too. Furthermore, I very much like the perio variant that forces the Irish Ri to play his Ax as Wb on a 6 for PIPs (IIRC)!
A raiding force should have more Wb I think... Mind you the Irish did pretty much lose out militarily, tricky dynastic powerplay brought them into the ascendant in Northern Britain (Scotland).
05-05-2012, 12:23 PM
Thanks for your quick reply Crocus. I just went back through the several Fanaticus variants; I particularly like Chris Brantley's Dalriadic Scots version.
I need to juggle around, retain my just finished Irish LH/Rider, and
come up with a Dalriadic noble Warband General. hmm
05-05-2012, 01:22 PM
Here's my thoughts on an actual Early Irish list from the Tain:
05-05-2012, 02:37 PM
Good info. However,
I have to admit, I avoid the assembly and painting of chariots like the plague.
(I have a pile of crushed & mashed chariot parts just to remind me!)
05-05-2012, 03:52 PM
Lovely link Redwilde and tasty Blackshields Ammianus!
I've just finished some 25mm Irish chariots (I'll post a pic when able) and I placed a 1cm diameter pillar of green stuff under the axle, as the thin-spoked wheels on the OG models looked unequal to the job of supporting the moving of the (blutacked) crew on and off for massed and skirmish games. Its invisible (to my mole-like eyes) but its usefulness has yet to be verified! In fact I'm not too sure if I'm guilding the lily making the crew detachable all together...
I really like these chariots - I only collect Late Antiquity/Dark Ages fellas and this is the only troop type that isn't bog standard (sorry) foot or mounted, and they look exotic! You chaps with the Han, Persians, Carthaginians and so on, are spoilt with troop types! I have begun getting some Sassanid mounted troops second hand, but that painting project, with the promise of ELEPHANTS, lies in the distant future. Incidentally, I have a very nice Alternative Armies spiky chariot (ebay) to make up and that may well end up as a General or Hero stand.
While I'm in mid flow about the exotic nature of the Britannic DA chariot, I must mention how dull my DBA foray into the wars of the Heptarchy have been: two Early Saxon armies with 11 Wb a side could just as easily be decided with a dice roll as using my simple AI! HoTT, I know you'll say HoTT, with Light Foot, but fickle soul that I am, I am dabbling with the Chipco Fantasy Rules, Days of Knights and FR Lounge Ancients additions and gotta say its ticking alot of boxes for what I want to spice up these games. Weird using a D10 though...
05-05-2012, 04:12 PM
it's great we all have different tastes in our armies.
I got a Xmas gift certificate from my kids for a painting service. As I was making arrangements with the painter, he asked, "What army?" I answered, "Early Welsh." He replied, "Why'd you want to do that?" lol
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