Cold Wars Campaign Theme: Condotta Chaos

[david kuijt]

Omnia Pro Pecunia Facta Sunt!
(15th c. latin motto -- all things are done for money)

It is Northern Italy, 1415 AD. The wealthiest city states in Europe, nay, the World. And lots of money means lots of very, very capable mercenaries!

Powers are:


Venice (open)
Venetian Dalmatia (open)
Verona (open)
Aquileia (open)
Bergamo (open)
Milan (open: two players)
Savoy (open)
Genoa (open)
Mantua (open)
Ferrara (open)
Modena (open)
Bologna (open)
Florence (open)
Ancona (open)
Spoleta (open)
Sienna (open)
Kingdom of the Two Sicilies / Naples (open)
Papacy (open)
Swiss Confederation (open)
Prince-Bishop of Trent (open)
Duchy of Styria (open)
Kingdom of Hungary (open)


The Swiss Confed will use an alternate list that better covers the army of the Swiss in that period, when they were making the transition from Halberds to Pikes: 1x 4Pk or 3/4Bd (Gen), 1x 2LH or 2Ps, 3x 4Pk, 5x 3Bd or 5x 4Bd, 2x 2Ps.

Trent and Styria use the Medieval German list, but no Pike option.

Kingdom of Hungary will only be in play if we have sufficient enrollment, as it was a fringe player.

Pavisier rules for 8Bw and Raiders rules for 3Bd will be used; both have appeared in several previous Campaign Themes.

All Condotta Knights may dismount. All dismounting is at deployment ONLY.

Map image coming.

[Rong]

Papacy please..:up

[Rob Torres]

I'd like Venice please.

[Jeff]

Sign me up for Florence, please!

[Gregorius]

David,

This looks a very interesting campaign. Looking foward to seeing the map.

Cheers,

[michael guth]

because its a cheesy list....

[Gascap]

Venetian Dalmatia

JM

[dbawilliam]

Milano, per favore. Grazie !

[Lobotomy]

I'll take Bologna (particularly since most people believe the things I say are that). Please save Genoa for Diceman as he has that specific army, otherwise, I'd claim it! :2up

[dicemanrick]

I'll take Genoese

[ferrency]

How about Verona for me, thanks.

Alan

[Eumelus]

I'd like Styria.

Rick Wynn

[Rong]

Rich between you and Larry, we can make a nice sandwich, salami and boloney!!!:rotfl

[dbawilliam]

Ron, you old cut-up you! You're a real ham....but I understand that sort of thing can be CURED ! :rotfl :silly

[miros]

Do any of the other states have a coat of arms similar to that of Florence? I have an army but all the pavises are painted w/the Florence COA.

[dicemanrick]

Do any of the other states have a coat of arms similar to that of Florence? I have an army but all the pavises are painted w/the Florence COA.

Jason, it won't matter...my Venetian pavises are spoils of war and not yet repainted.

I'm sticking to that story, too!:D

[David Schlanger]

Here's the map guys:

https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-MasJiMBeOfw/TsUhvZGB8dI/AAAAAAAADqE/QAM5m0apKYA/s512/condottamap.jpg

[David Schlanger]

Do any of the other states have a coat of arms similar to that of Florence? I have an army but all the pavises are painted w/the Florence COA.

Well, does Jeff have figure specifically painted up as Florence? If not, then we may have to reallocate him :)

DS

[ferrency]

because its a cheesy list....

Hey there,

You did see that the Swiss are not using the standard "Later Swiss" army list, right?


The Swiss Confed will use an alternate list that better covers the army of the Swiss in that period, when they were making the transition from Halberds to Pikes: 1x 4Pk or 3/4Bd (Gen), 1x 2LH or 2Ps, 3x 4Pk, 5x 3Bd or 5x 4Bd, 2x 2Ps.

Alan

[winterbadger]

Hey there,

You did see that the Swiss are not using the standard "Later Swiss" army list, right?

I think Mike was actually :eek making a pun. :D

I will take Trent, or Hungary if that becomes available. Simply because I already have a double condotta army and have played them a LOT and would like to do something new.

I'll be happy to bring my Italians though, in case anyone would like to play but doesn't have an army. Of course, since this event is all about condotta, I will not loan them out, but I will be happy to RENT them. :D

Jan

Edited to add: I should warn prospective *ahem* customers that I do not have dismounting figures for the knights. No Italian grandee would spend the money for a blood charger and then get off it and leave it behind!

[david kuijt]

Sorry to Jeff and Jason who both want Florence; only one person can be Florence. So one of you must be disappointed.

Actually, even he must be disappointed, as I've checked my own Condotta army, and my commander is painted with the heraldry of Nicollo da Tolentino who was the major Condotta leader for Florence in this period, and all my Pavises are painted for Florence.

http://www.umiacs.umd.edu/~kuijt/miscellania/Singles/Mir14.JPG

Nicollo da Tolentino (above)

Other Elmeti from the Rout of San Romano painting series by Ucello:

http://www.umiacs.umd.edu/~kuijt/miscellania/Singles/Mir06.JPG

I'll be updating the "who claims what" as soon as I can.

[Rong]

Jeff has a Florence army.

[david kuijt]

Omnia Pro Pecunia Facta Sunt!
(15th c. latin motto -- all things are done for money)

It is Northern Italy, 1415 AD. The wealthiest city states in Europe, nay, the World. And lots of money means lots of very, very capable mercenaries!

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-1nuKbnE3SGc/TsaD_ReLPFI/AAAAAAAADqw/edfXpa3oy9Y/s512/condottamap.jpg

Powers are:


Venice (Doge of Venice: Rob Torres)
Venetian Dalmatia (JM Seman)
Verona (Alan Ferrency)
Aquileia (open)
Bergamo (open)
Milan (dbawilliam; one position open still)
Savoy (open)
Genoa (Rich Baier)
Mantua (open)
Ferrara (open)
Modena (open)
Bologna (Larry Chaban)
Florence (Niccolo da Tolentino: DK)
Ancona (Duke of Urbino: DS)
Spoleta (open)
Sienna (Republic of Sienna: Spencer Ginder)
Kingdom of Naples (Jack Sheriff)
Papacy (Pope John XXIII: Ron Giampapa)
Swiss Confederation (Mike Guth)
Prince-Bishop of Trent (George of Liechtenstein: Jan Spoor (dibs on Hungary if it becomes available))
Duchy of Styria (Duke of Styria: Rick Wynn)
Kingdom of Hungary (open)


Jason Mirosavich and Jeff Franz were displaced from fighting for Florence, sorry!

The Swiss Confed will use an alternate list that better covers the army of the Swiss in that period, when they were making the transition from Halberds to Pikes: 1x 4Pk or 3/4Bd (Gen), 1x 2LH or 2Ps, 3x 4Pk, 5x 3Bd or 5x 4Bd, 2x 2Ps.

Trent and Styria use the Medieval German list, but no Pike option.

Kingdom of Hungary will only be in play if we have sufficient enrollment, as it was a fringe player.

Pavisier rules for 8Bw and Raiders rules for 3Bd will be used; both have appeared in several previous Campaign Themes.

All Condotta Knights may dismount as 4Bd. All dismounting is at deployment ONLY.

[Spencer]

I'll take Siena!!!!

Greatest rival of Florence, plenty of Chianti, and they have an awesome Museo della Tortura!

Surprised no one jumped on this earlier!

[winterbadger]

I'll take Siena!!!

Surprised no one jumped on this earlier!

They were probably afraid of gettign burnt! :silly

[David Schlanger]

New improved campaign map!

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-1nuKbnE3SGc/TsaD_ReLPFI/AAAAAAAADqw/edfXpa3oy9Y/s512/condottamap.jpg

[david kuijt]

New improved campaign map!

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-1nuKbnE3SGc/TsaD_ReLPFI/AAAAAAAADqw/edfXpa3oy9Y/s512/condottamap.jpg


The brown line represents the Appenines and the Alps -- crossing those lines counts as +1 distance.

[El' Jocko]

Please sign me up for the Kingdom of the Two Sicilies.

(Though, technically speaking, it should just be the Kingdom of Sicily in 1415. It wasn't until 1442 that this Kingdom of Sicily (centered on Naples) was united with the other Kingdom of Sicily (the one actually on the island of Sicily) to form the Kingdom of the Two Sicilies. With Wikipedia even I can be an expert!)

- Jack

[Redwilde]

All you strolling players need to start rehearsing for the big number:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AxV9tEnRMJA

[miros]

I don't mind playing another state at all, just wondering if any had a similar COA so it wouldn't look too out of place.

Just sign me up for Aquileia!


Sorry to Jeff and Jason who both want Florence; only one person can be Florence. So one of you must be disappointed.

[david kuijt]

I don't mind playing another state at all, just wondering if any had a similar COA so it wouldn't look too out of place.

Just sign me up for Aquileia!

You got it.

I remember thinking that there were other states using the big fleur-de-lis, but that was eight years or more ago, when I painted my guys, and now I don't remember who it was.

D

[david kuijt]

Omnia Pro Pecunia Facta Sunt!
(15th c. latin motto -- all things are done for money)

It is Northern Italy, 1415 AD. The wealthiest city states in Europe, nay, the World. And lots of money means lots of very, very capable mercenaries!

Currently at 15 players as of the time of this post. Lots of room yet!

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-1nuKbnE3SGc/TsaD_ReLPFI/AAAAAAAADqw/edfXpa3oy9Y/s512/condottamap.jpg

Powers are:


Venice (Tommaso Mocenigo, Doge of Venice: Rob Torres)
Venetian Dalmatia (JM Seman)
Verona (Alan Ferrency)
Aquileia (Louis of Teck, Patriarch of Aquilaia: Jason Mirosavich)
Bergamo (open)
Milan (Filippo Maria Visconti, Duke of Milan: Bill Brown (dbawilliam); one position open still)
Savoy (open)
Genoa (Rich Baier)
Mantua (Gianfrancesco Gonzaga, Lord of Mantua: open)
Ferrara (open)
Modena (open)
Bologna (Larry Chaban)
Florence (Niccolo da Tolentino: DK)
Ancona (Guidantonio da Montefeltro, Duke of Urbino: DS)
Spoleta (open)
Siena (Niccolò Piccinino: Spencer Ginder)
Naples (King Ladislaus: Jack Sheriff)
Papacy (Anti-Pope John XXIII: Ron Giampapa)
Swiss Confederation (Mike Guth)
Trent (Prince-Bishop George of Liechtenstein: open) (IV/13b Medieval German)
Styria (Ernest the Iron, Archduke of Inner Austria and Duke of Styria: Rick Wynn) (IV/13b Medieval German)
Hungary (King Sigismund: Jan Spoor)


Jason Mirosavich and Jeff Franz were displaced from fighting for Florence, sorry!

The Swiss Confed will use an alternate list that better covers the army of the Swiss in that period, when they were making the transition from Halberds to Pikes: 1x 4Pk or 3/4Bd (Gen), 1x 2LH or 2Ps, 3x 4Pk, 5x 3Bd or 5x 4Bd, 2x 2Ps.

Trent and Styria use the Medieval German list, but no Pike option.

Kingdom of Hungary will only be in play if we have sufficient enrollment, as it was a fringe player.

Pavisier rules for 8Bw and Raiders rules for 3Bd will be used; both have appeared in several previous Campaign Themes.

All Condotta Knights may dismount as 4Bd. All dismounting is at deployment ONLY.

[Spencer]

Hey, I need a cool Italian name.....Francesco Piccinino perhaps?

[david kuijt]

Hey, I need a cool Italian name.....Francesco Piccinino perhaps?

The Piccolomini family was very powerful in Siena...

Or you could be a Condottieri who moved around, like Carlo Malatesta, who worked for Venice, Florence, Ladislaus of Naples, and others in the decade before and after 1415...

[Eumelus]

BTW, the Duke of Styria in 1415 was Ernest the Iron, Archduke of Inner Austria.

(Wikipedia does indeed make us all instant smartasses)

RW

[dbawilliam]

The Sforza family ran Milan with an iron fist.....so just call me Bill "Il Sforza" Brown (sounds like a Middleweight Champion)....:rotfl

[david kuijt]

The Sforza family ran Milan with an iron fist.....so just call me Bill "Il Sforza" Brown (sounds like a Middleweight Champion)....:rotfl

Sforza didn't get in until 1450; he was 14 years old at the time of this campaign. This is you: Filippo Maria Visconti; your daughter marries Francesco Sforza some time later.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/36/Filippo_Maria_Visconti.jpg/170px-Filippo_Maria_Visconti.jpg

According to Wikipedia, F-M Visconti was cruel, paranoid and extremely sensitive about his personal ugliness! Excellent!

[vonBerlichingen]

This looks interesting. How do the "Pavisiers" and "Raiders" rules work?

Ok, I found the "Pavisiers" rules once I relaxed a sub-forum's chronological filter. Where is the "Raiders" rule defined (and discussed)?

[dbawilliam]

Sforza didn't get in until 1450; he was 14 years old at the time of this campaign. This is you: Filippo Maria Visconti; your daughter marries Francesco Sforza some time later.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/36/Filippo_Maria_Visconti.jpg/170px-Filippo_Maria_Visconti.jpg

According to Wikipedia, F-M Visconti was cruel, paranoid and extremely sensitive about his personal ugliness! Excellent!

I"M OFFENDED !...Oh, wait that's a different thread...:D

....so instead of a really cool nickname, I'm stuck with "Il faccia disgustoso" ??? OR "un volto che si fermava un orologio".....I prefer Filippo Maria Visconti "meraviglioso signore" !

[Jeff]

OK, OK....guess you can play too, DK.

I will use my Florentine uniforms to disguise my forces from Savoy so that I might infiltrate your lines and hack you to small Canadian bits.:)

Please sign me up for Savoy.

I am now Amadeus VIII, please refer to me as such...then again I was eight years old at this time and prone to tantrums if I roll 1s....

[Rong]

Bill, Thats faccio brute.:rotfl

[david kuijt]

This looks interesting. How do the "Pavisiers" and "Raiders" rules work?

Ok, I found the "Pavisiers" rules once I relaxed a sub-forum's chronological filter. Where is the "Raiders" rule defined (and discussed)?

Search on "Viking Fury" -- there should be two threads with that in the title, I believe.

[david kuijt]

Omnia Pro Pecunia Facta Sunt!
(15th c. latin motto -- all things are done for money)

It is Northern Italy, 1415 AD. The wealthiest city states in Europe, nay, the World. And lots of money means lots of very, very capable mercenaries!

Currently at 16 players as of the time of this post. Lots of room yet!

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-1nuKbnE3SGc/TsaD_ReLPFI/AAAAAAAADqw/edfXpa3oy9Y/s512/condottamap.jpg

Powers are:


Venice (Tommaso Mocenigo, Doge of Venice: Rob Torres)
Venetian Dalmatia (JM Seman)
Verona (Alan Ferrency)
Aquileia (Louis of Teck, Patriarch of Aquilaia: Jason Mirosavich)
Bergamo (open)
Milan (Filippo Maria Visconti, Duke of Milan: Bill Brown (dbawilliam); one position open still)
Savoy (Amadeus VIII, Count of Savoy (and future anti-pope): Jeff Franz)
Genoa (Rich Baier)
Mantua (Gianfrancesco Gonzaga, Lord of Mantua: open)
Ferrara (open)
Modena (open)
Bologna (Larry Chaban)
Florence (Niccolo da Tolentino: DK)
Ancona (Guidantonio da Montefeltro, Duke of Urbino: DS)
Spoleta (open)
Siena (Niccolò Piccinino: Spencer Ginder)
Naples (James II, Count of La Marche: Jack Sheriff)
Papacy (Anti-Pope John XXIII: open)
Swiss Confederation (Mike Guth)
Trent (Prince-Bishop George of Liechtenstein: Ron Giampapa) (IV/13b Medieval German)
Styria (Ernest the Iron, Archduke of Inner Austria and Duke of Styria: Rick Wynn) (IV/13b Medieval German)
Hungary (King Sigismund: Jan Spoor)


The Swiss Confed will use an alternate list that better covers the army of the Swiss in that period, when they were making the transition from Halberds to Pikes: 1x 4Pk or 3/4Bd (Gen), 1x 2LH or 2Ps, 3x 4Pk, 5x 3Bd or 5x 4Bd, 2x 2Ps.

Trent and Styria use the Medieval German list, but no Pike option.

Kingdom of Hungary will only be in play if we have sufficient enrollment, as it was a fringe player.

Pavisier rules for 8Bw and Raiders rules for 3Bd will be used; both have appeared in several previous Campaign Themes.

All Condotta Knights may dismount as 4Bd. All dismounting is at deployment ONLY.

[Rong]

Dave, just realized I do not have a condotta army. :sick Sorry, although that Anti-Pope used alot of mercenary troops. Could I switch to Trent, I do have an German army! :up Thanks.

[david kuijt]

Please sign me up for Savoy.

I am now Amadeus VIII, please refer to me as such...

Rock me, Amadeus.

Wikipedia says you get to be the last anti-pope, about 20 years after the close of this campaign theme.

[david kuijt]

Dave, just realized I do not have a condotta army. :sick Sorry, although that Anti-Pope used alot of mercenary troops. Could I switch to Trent, I do have an German army! :up Thanks.

Wait -- you just realized? Who was keeping that information from you, Ron?!?

Okay, you can be the Prince-Bishop of Trent, rather than the current anti-pope, John XXIII. Although I must say, John XXIII was a much more interesting character!

[Rong]

Interesting or Imfamous? :rotfl Thanks for the change. Ron:2up

[dbawilliam]

Ron,
I'm doing a new Condotta for this game, so I could have loaned you one I bought from a guy at the Compleat Strategist about 25 years ago....paint job isn't great but its serviceable if you still want to be the Pope :):)

Bill ("faccio brute")

[Rong]

Thanks, but no, rather do 6KN Germans!! Thanks anyway !:up

[El' Jocko]

Please make my ruler James II, Count of La Marche. In 1415 Ladislaus was no longer amongst the living. Which disqualifies him from rule, even in the permissive morals of 15th century Italy. James Of La Marche had recently married Joan II, sister of Ladislaus, and promptly locked her up in her apartments so that he could take sole rule of the kingdom. Which struck me as perfectly in line with the prevailing moral climate.

- Jack

[michael guth]

So I have a loaner.....

Mike Guth

[david kuijt]

So I have a loaner.....

Mike Guth

Thanks, Mike.

[dicemanrick]

Doge Tommaso di Campofregoso of Repubblica di Genova invites you all to bow to the inevitable and submit to us now. Your rank in the groups of subjects will be of the highest,,,,:D

[Douglas Austin]

It looks to still be open. Looking forward to Cold Wars!

[david kuijt]

Omnia Pro Pecunia Facta Sunt!
(15th c. latin motto -- all things are done for money)

It is Northern Italy, 1415 AD. The wealthiest city states in Europe, nay, the World. And lots of money means lots of very, very capable mercenaries!

Currently at 16 players as of the time of this post. Lots of room yet!

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-1nuKbnE3SGc/TsaD_ReLPFI/AAAAAAAADqw/edfXpa3oy9Y/s512/condottamap.jpg

Powers are:


Venice (Tommaso Mocenigo, Doge of Venice: Rob Torres)
Venetian Dalmatia (JM Seman)
Verona (Alan Ferrency)
Aquileia (Louis of Teck, Patriarch of Aquilaia: Jason Mirosavich)
Bergamo (open)
Milan (Filippo Maria Visconti, Duke of Milan: Bill Brown (dbawilliam); one position open still)
Savoy (Amadeus VIII, Count of Savoy (and future anti-pope): Jeff Franz)
Genoa (Rich Baier)
Mantua (Gianfrancesco Gonzaga, Lord of Mantua: open)
Ferrara (open)
Modena (open)
Bologna (Larry Chaban)
Florence (Niccolo da Tolentino: DK)
Ancona (Guidantonio da Montefeltro, Duke of Urbino: DS)
Spoleta (open)
Siena (Niccolò Piccinino: Spencer Ginder)
Naples (James II, Count of La Marche: Jack Sheriff)
Papacy (Anti-Pope John XXIII: Doug Austin)
Swiss Confederation (Mike Guth)
Trent (Prince-Bishop George of Liechtenstein: Ron Giampapa) (IV/13b Medieval German)
Styria (Ernest the Iron, Archduke of Inner Austria and Duke of Styria: Rick Wynn) (IV/13b Medieval German)
Hungary (King Sigismund: Jan Spoor)


The Swiss Confed will use an alternate list that better covers the army of the Swiss in that period, when they were making the transition from Halberds to Pikes: 1x 4Pk or 3/4Bd (Gen), 1x 2LH or 2Ps, 3x 4Pk, 5x 3Bd or 5x 4Bd, 2x 2Ps.

Trent and Styria use the Medieval German list, but no Pike option.

Pavisier rules for 8Bw and Raiders rules for 3Bd will be used; both have appeared in several previous Campaign Themes.

All Condotta Knights may dismount as 4Bd. All dismounting is at deployment ONLY.

[david kuijt]

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[ferrency]

Is there any information about what army options will be available in each area, yet?

Condotta has about two armies worth of stands, especially including the dismounted knights. It might be nice to know what I won't have to paint (yet).

Thanks,
Alan

[Spencer]

Hmmmm.....I was assuming Condottieri brought the options of their choosing based on the list options with the addition of dismounting Bd.

[david kuijt]

Hmmmm.....I was assuming Condottieri brought the options of their choosing based on the list options with the addition of dismounting Bd.

That's correct. I thought about making more specific lists, based upon boiling down the DBMM lists a bit, but after doing a lot of work on it, found that differences weren't that significant when boiled down to 12 elements. So each condotta army can be any legal v2.2 army Condotta list, just as you might expect.

[ferrency]

That's correct. I thought about making more specific lists, based upon boiling down the DBMM lists a bit, but after doing a lot of work on it, found that differences weren't that significant when boiled down to 12 elements. So each condotta army can be any legal v2.2 army Condotta list, just as you might expect.

Thanks!

Alan

[miros]

Please delete me from the list (Aquileia). I won't be at CW in 2012.

[david kuijt]

[note: removed Jason Mirosavich, by request]

Omnia Pro Pecunia Facta Sunt!
(15th c. latin motto -- all things are done for money)

It is Northern Italy, 1415 AD. The wealthiest city states in Europe, nay, the World. And lots of money means lots of very, very capable mercenaries!

Currently at 16 players as of the time of this post. Lots of room yet!

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-1nuKbnE3SGc/TsaD_ReLPFI/AAAAAAAADqw/edfXpa3oy9Y/s512/condottamap.jpg

Powers are:


Venice (Tommaso Mocenigo, Doge of Venice: Rob Torres)
Venetian Dalmatia (JM Seman)
Verona (Alan Ferrency)
Aquileia (Louis of Teck, Patriarch of Aquilaia)
Bergamo (open)
Milan (Filippo Maria Visconti, Duke of Milan: Bill Brown (dbawilliam); one position open still)
Savoy (Amadeus VIII, Count of Savoy (and future anti-pope): Jeff Franz)
Genoa (Rich Baier)
Mantua (Gianfrancesco Gonzaga, Lord of Mantua: open)
Ferrara (open)
Modena (open)
Bologna (Larry Chaban)
Florence (Niccolo da Tolentino: DK)
Ancona (Guidantonio da Montefeltro, Duke of Urbino: DS)
Spoleta (open)
Siena (Niccolò Piccinino: Spencer Ginder)
Naples (James II, Count of La Marche: Jack Sheriff)
Papacy (Anti-Pope John XXIII: Doug Austin)
Swiss Confederation (Mike Guth)
Trent (Prince-Bishop George of Liechtenstein: Ron Giampapa) (IV/13b Medieval German)
Styria (Ernest the Iron, Archduke of Inner Austria and Duke of Styria: Rick Wynn) (IV/13b Medieval German)
Hungary (King Sigismund: Jan Spoor)


The Swiss Confed will use an alternate list that better covers the army of the Swiss in that period, when they were making the transition from Halberds to Pikes: 1x 4Pk or 3/4Bd (Gen), 1x 2LH or 2Ps, 3x 4Pk, 5x 3Bd or 5x 4Bd, 2x 2Ps.

Trent and Styria use the Medieval German list, but no Pike option.

Pavisier rules for 8Bw and Raiders rules for 3Bd will be used; both have appeared in several previous Campaign Themes.

All Condotta Knights may dismount as 4Bd. All dismounting is at deployment ONLY.

[Lobotomy]

I am familiar with the Raider rule, but what is the Pavisier rule? Thanks.

[winterbadger]

I am familiar with the Raider rule, but what is the Pavisier rule? Thanks.

You can find it on the Fanaticus site in the variants section (http://www.fanaticus.org/DBA/variants/Pavisiers.html).

[david kuijt]

You can find it on the Fanaticus site in the variants section (http://www.fanaticus.org/DBA/variants/Pavisiers.html).

Is that the most recent one, that we used in the Greek Campaign Theme?

Lemme see.

Pavisiers are +3/+4 (like Pike, Kn, WWg)
Pavisiers are +2/+4 shooting
Pavisiers act like Spear in the combat results charts in all respects
Pavisiers move like other heavy foot (2")
Pavisiers are -2 in BGo.

Psiloi doubled by Pavisiers are killed

I think that's everything.

The link that Jan posted gives all the arguments for their use (historical and playbalance-wise). But I'm not trying to recreate that discussion -- anyone interested can find various threads from a year or two ago on that issue, and should read those before bringing it up.

This is a special rule for the Campaign Theme, as we often do for our Campaign Themes, to give them a bit more historical flavor.

[kontos]

Is that the most recent one, that we used in the Greek Campaign Theme?

Lemme see.

Pavisiers are +3/+4 (like Pike, Kn, WWg)
Pavisiers are +2/+4 shooting
Pavisiers act like Spear in the combat results charts in all respects
Pavisiers move like other heavy foot (2")
Pavisiers are -2 in BGo.

Psiloi doubled by Pavisiers are killed

I think that's everything.

The link that Jan posted gives all the arguments for their use (historical and playbalance-wise). But I'm not trying to recreate that discussion -- anyone interested can find various threads from a year or two ago on that issue, and should read those before bringing it up.

This is a special rule for the Campaign Theme, as we often do for our Campaign Themes, to give them a bit more historical flavor.

LH doubled by Pavisiers are killed still apply?

[david kuijt]

LH doubled by Pavisiers are killed still apply?

Hmm. Yes, should do. The main Combat Technique of Pavisiers when blasting the hell out of LH is the same sort of massed missile fire as Bow, so certainly should do.

Basically, Pavisiers are like Bow with a hard candy shell. The hard candy shell gives them a bit more resilience in hand-to-hand against foot, but more brittle against Wb, and less effective in BGo (since all the historical examples we examined when coming up with this concept used 8Bw as completely GGo troops) where the hard candy shell would find it difficult to maintain formation. Against mounted troops returning fire the hard candy shell gives them more resilience and protection (i.e., no QK by Cv).

[kontos]

Hmm. Yes, should do. The main Combat Technique of Pavisiers when blasting the hell out of LH is the same sort of massed missile fire as Bow, so certainly should do.

Basically, Pavisiers are like Bow with a hard candy shell. The hard candy shell gives them a bit more resilience in hand-to-hand against foot, but more brittle against Wb, and less effective in BGo (since all the historical examples we examined when coming up with this concept used 8Bw as completely GGo troops) where the hard candy shell would find it difficult to maintain formation. Against mounted troops returning fire the hard candy shell gives them more resilience and protection (i.e., no QK by Cv).

And we got DBE's and Mounted Infantry instead. :rolleyes

:D

[David Schlanger]

And we got DBE's and Mounted Infantry instead. :rolleyes

:D

Isn't that special :)

DS

[Rich Gause]

I would like to sign up, Does anybody know what colors would be appropriate for the remaining slots? I think most of what I have is either red and white or red and blue, maybe some others. If it doesn't matter I can just take Spoleto so that I can quickly conquer DS and DK so that they can take over the world for me............

[Rich Gause]

I guess I will take Spoleta please.

[ferrency]

Here is Verona, ready to rock.

https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-bTk0HaG8JWI/Tz2nbsoCl2I/AAAAAAAABGA/JDRSDIlo3jw/s800/con0.jpg

There are more pictures on my blog (http://ferrency.blogspot.com/2012/02/dba-army-iv61-italian-condotta.html).

Alan

[winterbadger]

Here is Verona, ready to rock.

Those are SWEET! Nice job, Mr F!

[ferrency]

Those are SWEET! Nice job, Mr F!

Thanks!

By the way, if anyone is not finished yet and wants to fly flags other than the ones available from Mirliton, there are a bunch of options available for download here:

http://krigsspil.dk/download/download_2.html

[winterbadger]

Thanks!

By the way, if anyone is not finished yet and wants to fly flags other than the ones available from Mirliton, there are a bunch of options available for download here:

http://krigsspil.dk/download/download_2.html

Thanks! Excellent tip!

[pozanias]

Sign me up for Acquileia please.

[El' Jocko]

I regret to inform the organizers that I'm going to have to drop out of this event. :(

Turns out that the Sheriff family has not one, but two soccer tournaments the weekend of Cold Wars, so there's no way for me to wiggle out of my parental responsibilities. I'm still hoping to make it for Friday evening.

- Jack

[Lobotomy]

I regret to inform the organizers that I'm going to have to drop out of this event. :(

Turns out that the Sheriff family has not one, but two soccer tournaments the weekend of Cold Wars, so there's no way for me to wiggle out of my parental responsibilities. I'm still hoping to make it for Friday evening.

- Jack

Tell Peter to forget the soccer game and come learn new words! :rotfl

[kontos]

Tell Peter to forget the soccer game and come learn new words! :rotfl

Oh I'm sure Jack would love Peter to be calling people "jag-offs". :rotfl

[winterbadger]

Oh I'm sure Jack would love Peter to be calling people "jag-offs". :rotfl

If that's the most objectionable word he learns (anywhere, at that age), that would probably be ideal! :)

Sorry not to be seeing you, Jack! :(

[El' Jocko]

Tell Peter to forget the soccer game and come learn new words! :rotfl

Peter's in high school now. He has the opportunity to learn new and interesting words everyday. I need to convince him to come to Historicon so he can teach you some new words.

- Jack

[Lobotomy]

Peter's in high school now. He has the opportunity to learn new and interesting words everyday. I need to convince him to come to Historicon so he can teach you some new words.

- Jack

I figure if he does maybe some of his cool will rub off on me. We all know I need it!!! :cool

[dbawilliam]

I figure if he does maybe some of his cool will rub off on me. We all know I need it!!! :cool

Larry,
I only got to know you at the last Historicon, but my impression was that you were VERY cool....(this has been a paid political advertisement). :D
Bill

[Rich Gause]

If Naples is open I would prefer that to Spoleta.

[David Schlanger]

We have had several signed up players contact us wishing that this campaign theme be run using the 2.2+ Beta rules.

And it makes sense. We are already using several rules from 2.2+ (Raiders, Pavisiers, 30" boards, dismounting in deployment only), so are already half way there!

We would only make this change if we have universal support amongst the pre-registered players. I am hoping that the few players that have not yet had exposure to 2.2+ will be willing to give it a try. See: http://www.wadbag.com/V2.2+/index.html

If you are currently signed up for this event, and do not want to use 2.2+ - please PM me.

Thanks!
DS

[david kuijt]

[note: added Mark, removed Jack (sacrificed on the altar of Kids Soccer); moved Rich Gause to Naples as requested]

Omnia Pro Pecunia Facta Sunt!
(15th c. latin motto -- all things are done for money)

It is Northern Italy, 1415 AD. The wealthiest city states in Europe, nay, the World. And lots of money means lots of very, very capable mercenaries!

Currently at 17 players as of the time of this post. Lots of room yet!

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-1nuKbnE3SGc/TsaD_ReLPFI/AAAAAAAADqw/edfXpa3oy9Y/s512/condottamap.jpg

Powers are:


Venice (Tommaso Mocenigo, Doge of Venice: Rob Torres)
Venetian Dalmatia (JM Seman)
Verona (Alan Ferrency)
Aquileia (Louis of Teck, Patriarch of Aquilaia: Mark Pozniak)
Bergamo (open)
Milan (Filippo Maria Visconti, Duke of Milan: Bill Brown (dbawilliam))
Savoy (Amadeus VIII, Count of Savoy (and future anti-pope): Jeff Franz)
Genoa (Rich Baier)
Mantua (Gianfrancesco Gonzaga, Lord of Mantua: open)
Ferrara (open)
Modena (open)
Bologna (Larry Chaban)
Florence (Niccolo da Tolentino: DK)
Ancona (Guidantonio da Montefeltro, Duke of Urbino: DS)
Spoleta (open)
Siena (Niccolò Piccinino: Spencer Ginder)
Naples (James II, Count of La Marche: Rich Gause)
Papacy (Anti-Pope John XXIII: Doug Austin)
Swiss Confederation (Mike Guth)
Trent (Prince-Bishop George of Liechtenstein: Ron Giampapa) (IV/13b Medieval German)
Styria (Ernest the Iron, Archduke of Inner Austria and Duke of Styria: Rick Wynn) (IV/13b Medieval German)
Hungary (King Sigismund: Jan Spoor)


The Swiss Confed will use an alternate list that better covers the army of the Swiss in that period, when they were making the transition from Halberds to Pikes: 1x 4Pk or 3/4Bd (Gen), 1x 2LH or 2Ps, 3x 4Pk, 5x 3Bd or 5x 4Bd, 2x 2Ps.

Trent and Styria use the Medieval German list, but no Pike option.

Venice, Venetian Dalmatia, Genoa, and the Kingdom of the Two Sicilies (Naples) are Littoral and have navies (may make littoral landings).

Pavisier rules for 8Bw and Raiders rules for 3Bd will be used; both have appeared in several previous Campaign Themes.

All Condotta Knights may dismount as 4Bd. All dismounting is at deployment ONLY.

[Jeff]

I am cool with 2.2 or 2.2+

[Rich Gause]

Heck I would be happy if all the events used 2.2+ beta rules.

[dbawilliam]

I, too, am happy to play whatever rules the group decides.
Bill

[Spencer]

I am OK with either as well

[Pavane]

We have had several signed up players contact us wishing that this campaign theme be run using the 2.2+ Beta rules.

And it makes sense. We are already using several rules from 2.2+ (Raiders, Pavisiers, 30" boards, dismounting in deployment only), so are already half way there!

We would only make this change if we have universal support amongst the pre-registered players. I am hoping that the few players that have not yet had exposure to 2.2+ will be willing to give it a try. See: http://www.wadbag.com/V2.2+/index.html

If you are currently signed up for this event, and do not want to use 2.2+ - please PM me.

Thanks!
DS
I am not playing, but I assume that 2.2+ movement gauges will be available to help players make the transition.

[David Schlanger]

I am not playing, but I assume that 2.2+ movement gauges will be available to help players make the transition.

Yes, we will have some available all weekend at Cold Wars... unless supplies run out :)

DS

[David Schlanger]

Thanks for the support for 2.2+ guys! I am planning to move forward with this campaign as 2.2+. The only concern raised was not really applicable, so let's do it.

DS

[Rich Gause]

Hurray!:2up

[Alex Bostwick]

Greek, my dad and I will gank three of those open slots. Place us wherever you like; we're easy.

-A-Bos

[winterbadger]

I am not confident that I will get the Hungarians finished in time at this point, so I will switch out, if I may, and take Ferrara. I'll still have an extra condotta army if someone needs a loaner, and I'll bring King Sigismund if I get him done beforehand.

[david kuijt]

[note: added Bostwicks, moved Jan as requested]

Omnia Pro Pecunia Facta Sunt!
(15th c. latin motto -- all things are done for money)

It is Northern Italy, 1415 AD. The wealthiest city states in Europe, nay, the World. And lots of money means lots of very, very capable mercenaries!

Currently at 20 players as of the time of this post.

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-1nuKbnE3SGc/TsaD_ReLPFI/AAAAAAAADqw/edfXpa3oy9Y/s512/condottamap.jpg

Powers are:


Venice (Tommaso Mocenigo, Doge of Venice: Rob Torres)
Venetian Dalmatia (JM Seman)
Verona (Alan Ferrency)
Aquileia (Louis of Teck, Patriarch of Aquilaia: Mark Pozniak)
Bergamo (Jonathan Bostwick)
Milan (Filippo Maria Visconti, Duke of Milan: Bill Brown (dbawilliam))
Savoy (Amadeus VIII, Count of Savoy (and future anti-pope): Jeff Franz)
Genoa (Rich Baier)
Mantua (Gianfrancesco Gonzaga, Lord of Mantua: open)
Ferrara (Jan Spoor)
Modena (Alex Halkiadaiks)
Bologna (Larry Chaban)
Florence (Niccolo da Tolentino: DK)
Ancona (Guidantonio da Montefeltro, Duke of Urbino: DS)
Spoleto (Alex Bostwick)
Siena (Niccolò Piccinino: Spencer Ginder)
Naples (James II, Count of La Marche: Rich Gause)
Papacy (Anti-Pope John XXIII: Doug Austin)
Swiss Confederation (Mike Guth)
Trent (Prince-Bishop George of Liechtenstein: Ron Giampapa) (IV/13b Medieval German)
Styria (Ernest the Iron, Archduke of Inner Austria and Duke of Styria: Rick Wynn) (IV/13b Medieval German)
Hungary (King Sigismund: open)


The Swiss Confed will use an alternate list that better covers the army of the Swiss in that period, when they were making the transition from Halberds to Pikes: 1x 4Pk or 3/4Bd (Gen), 1x 2LH or 2Ps, 3x 4Pk, 5x 3Bd or 5x 4Bd, 2x 2Ps.

Trent and Styria use the Medieval German list, but no Pike option.

Venice, Venetian Dalmatia, Genoa, and the Kingdom of the Two Sicilies (Naples) are Littoral and have navies (may make littoral landings).

Pavisier rules for 8Bw and Raiders rules for 3Bd will be used; both have appeared in several previous Campaign Themes.

All Condotta Knights may dismount as 4Bd. All dismounting is at deployment ONLY.

[david kuijt]

Just finished painting the strategic map for Condotta Chaos; as shown it is about 5' high and 6-7' wide.

http://wargame.pairsite.com/download/file.php?id=27

[dbawilliam]

Just finished painting the strategic map for Condotta Chaos; as shown it is about 5' high and 6-7' wide.

http://wargame.pairsite.com/download/file.php?id=27

This will be only my second "Two Davids" campaign, but it is very apparent the amount of work and preparation that goes into one of these events--I'd like to say thank you for all the effort.
Bill

[David Schlanger]

This will be only my second "Two Davids" campaign, but it is very apparent the amount of work and preparation that goes into one of these events--I'd like to say thank you for all the effort.
Bill

Thanks Bill. Looking forward to seeing you again and having you join us for the campaign!

DS

[David Schlanger]

[note: added Ted Furey and Roland Fricke]

Omnia Pro Pecunia Facta Sunt!
(15th c. latin motto -- all things are done for money)

It is Northern Italy, 1415 AD. The wealthiest city states in Europe, nay, the World. And lots of money means lots of very, very capable mercenaries!

Currently at 20 players as of the time of this post.

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-1nuKbnE3SGc/TsaD_ReLPFI/AAAAAAAADqw/edfXpa3oy9Y/s512/condottamap.jpg

Powers are:


Venice (Tommaso Mocenigo, Doge of Venice: Rob Torres)
Venetian Dalmatia (JM Seman)
Verona (Alan Ferrency)
Aquileia (Louis of Teck, Patriarch of Aquilaia: Mark Pozniak)
Bergamo (Jonathan Bostwick)
Milan (Filippo Maria Visconti, Duke of Milan: Bill Brown (dbawilliam))
Savoy (Amadeus VIII, Count of Savoy (and future anti-pope): Jeff Franz)
Genoa (Rich Baier)
Mantua (Gianfrancesco Gonzaga, Lord of Mantua: Roland Fricke)
Ferrara (Jan Spoor)
Modena (Alex Halkiadaiks)
Bologna (Larry Chaban)
Florence (Niccolo da Tolentino: DK)
Ancona (Guidantonio da Montefeltro, Duke of Urbino: DS)
Spoleto (Alex Bostwick)
Siena (Niccolò Piccinino: Spencer Ginder)
Naples (James II, Count of La Marche: Rich Gause)
Papacy (Anti-Pope John XXIII: Doug Austin)
Swiss Confederation (Mike Guth)
Trent (Prince-Bishop George of Liechtenstein: Ron Giampapa) (IV/13b Medieval German)
Styria (Ernest the Iron, Archduke of Inner Austria and Duke of Styria: Rick Wynn) (IV/13b Medieval German)
Hungary (King Sigismund: Ted Furey)


WAIT LIST (event may be expanded by 2 or 4 players as needed):
1) John Manning

The Swiss Confed will use an alternate list that better covers the army of the Swiss in that period, when they were making the transition from Halberds to Pikes: 1x 4Pk or 3/4Bd (Gen), 1x 2LH or 2Ps, 3x 4Pk, 5x 3Bd or 5x 4Bd, 2x 2Ps.

Trent and Styria use the Medieval German list, but no Pike option.

Venice, Venetian Dalmatia, Genoa, and the Kingdom of the Two Sicilies (Naples) are Littoral and have navies (may make littoral landings).

Reminder: 2.2+ Beta rules will be used.
All Condotta Knights may dismount as 4Bd. All dismounting is at deployment ONLY.

[Roland Fricke]

I'll play if there's still room. I think John manning will play too but I wont commit for him.

[David Schlanger]

I'll play if there's still room. I think John manning will play too but I wont commit for him.

Hi Roland - we never know if all pre-reg players will actually show... and we can always try to expand if needed. The only thing we want to avoid is an odd number of players.

We have 1 pre-reg slot left which I will give to you... we can put John on the wait-list for now.

DS

[Rong]

Were there not 2 slots originally for Milan? :??? Milan (open: two players)

[david kuijt]

Were there not 2 slots originally for Milan? :???

There were, Ron, but that doesn't help here -- we can't have an odd number of players. Yes, our plan is to bring back the second Milan spot and add another Florence or Hungary spot -- but there is no solution for odd numbers.

[David Schlanger]

Something new for this campaign:

Condotierre Mortality Adjustment Table (CMAT):
General's Element destroyed: roll 1d6 AFTER the battle is over

1-2: hid, escaped, fought his way free of the destruction of his
personal guard, or maybe had been letting someone else use his armor
that afternoon -- no ill effects.

3-4: Captured. Ransomed after the battle. If the captured General
won the battle attacking (in spite of getting captured) he does NOT
gain the defeated side as a vassal (he just gets to ransom himself).
If the captured General was defeated (whether attacking or defending)
he becomes a vassal of the side that captured him.

5-6: Killed. Replaced for the rest of the campaign by his senior
Lieutenant. Player loses all direct vassals immediately; they all
become independent. If the dead General won his final battle
attacking, his Lieutenant still gains the defeated side as a vassal.
If the dead General lost his final battle defending, his Lieutenant
still becomes a vassal.

Enjoy!
DS

[Eumelus]

Does the CMAT apply to those of us who are proper nobles and not just trumped-up sellswords with delusions of grandeur?

Ernest, Duke of Styria (and cousin to the Emperor, I might add...)

[Lobotomy]

Does the CMAT apply to those of us who are proper nobles and not just trumped-up sellswords with delusions of grandeur?

Ernest, Duke of Styria (and cousin to the Emperor, I might add...)

You're still a German lackey with pretensions of grandeur. :silly

[david kuijt]

Does the CMAT apply to those of us who are proper nobles and not just trumped-up sellswords with delusions of grandeur?

Ernest, Duke of Styria (and cousin to the Emperor, I might add...)

At this point the only one we are certain CMAT doesn't apply to is the Swiss, whose "general" element represents a bickering group of shop stewards and is way too decentralized to really be permanently eliminated or relevantly captured.

We'll be applying our massive intellects to the issue between now and Saturday.

[Tony Aguilar]

At this point the only one we are certain CMAT doesn't apply to is the Swiss, whose "general" element represents a bickering group of shop stewards and is way too decentralized to really be permanently eliminated or relevantly captured.

Medieval Communists. :)

Looks like it is going to be a full house - 22 sign-ups in advance.

[Rob Torres]

Ruth is ill, so it doesn't look like we'll be coming up. Sorry for the late notice. Looks like a great campaign :(

[winterbadger]

Ruth is ill, so it doesn't look like we'll be coming up. Sorry for the late notice. Looks like a great campaign :(

So sorry to hear it! I hope Ruth feels better soon! :(

[dicemanrick]

So sorry to hear it! I hope Ruth feels better soon! :(

Yeah, ditto...we'll miss Ruth (Rob not so much:D)

[Lobotomy]

Ruth is ill, so it doesn't look like we'll be coming up. Sorry for the late notice. Looks like a great campaign :(

I hope she gets so you both can make it for StoogeCon!!! :2up

[david kuijt]

As always, we had some people leave at the last minute, and others who hadn't signed up online and desperately put their names on the waitlist hoping someone would drop out. Finally tally was 22 (the upper limit of what we could support) as follows:

Omnia Pro Pecunia Facta Sunt!

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-1nuKbnE3SGc/TsaD_ReLPFI/AAAAAAAADqw/edfXpa3oy9Y/s512/condottamap.jpg

Powers are:


Venice (Tommaso Mocenigo, Doge of Venice: Kevin Boylan)
Venetian Dalmatia (JM Seman)
Verona (Alan Ferrency)
Aquileia (Louis of Teck, Patriarch of Aquilaia: Mark Pozniak)
Bergamo (Jonathan Bostwick)
Milan (Filippo Maria Visconti, Duke of Milan: Bill Brown (dbawilliam))
Savoy (Amadeus VIII, Count of Savoy (and future anti-pope): Jeff Franz)
Genoa (Rich Baier)
Mantua (Gianfrancesco Gonzaga, Lord of Mantua: Jason Bostwick)
Ferrara (Jan Spoor)
Modena (Alex Halkiadaiks)
Bologna (Larry Chaban)
Florence (Niccolo da Tolentino: Christina Ginder)
Ancona (Guidantonio da Montefeltro, Duke of Urbino: DS/DK)
Spoleto (Alex Bostwick)
Siena (Niccolò Piccinino: Spencer Ginder)
Naples (James II, Count of La Marche: Rich Gause)
Papacy (Anti-Pope John XXIII: Barry Levin)
Swiss Confederation (David Bostwick)
Trent (Prince-Bishop George of Liechtenstein: Ron Giampapa) (IV/13b Medieval German)
Styria (Ernest the Iron, Archduke of Inner Austria and Duke of Styria: Rick Wynn) (IV/13b Medieval German)
Hungary (King Sigismund: Ted Furey)


2.2+ rules were used. To help people who haven't seen the Plus rules yet, and to make it easier to run the campaign, I withdrew to make another space and DS and I combined to fight the forces of Urbino (Ancona), alternating games in different rounds.

Final scores for the top finishers were as follows:

20 points (three-way-tie!!!) Aquilea (Mark Pozniak), Genoa (Rich Baier), and Verona (Alan Ferrency)
12 points: Sienna (Spencer Ginder)
10 points (tie) Bologna (Larry Chaban), Kingdom of Two Sicilies (Rich Gause)
9 pts: Bergamo (Jon Bostwick)
8 pts: Milan (Bill Brown)
7 pts: Ancona (DS/DK), Modena (Alex Halkiadakis)
6 pts: Hungary (Ted Furey), Savoy (Jeff Franz), Venetian Dalmatia (JM Seman)


Some images coming.

The whole thing was very successful; very interesting battles, and everyone seemed to have lots of fun. I was very happy with how the strategic map turned out.

[david kuijt]

1415:

King Sigismund of Hungary begins its bid for Empire by attacking Styria, forcing its ruler Archduke Ernest the Iron to subject himself to vassalage.

Louis of Teck, Patriarch of Aquileia, seizes upon a pretext of inappropriate customs dues on his goods entering Venice to attack Venice; in a quick campaign the forces of the Doge are defeated and Tommaso Mocenigo submits to Aquileian control.

Filippo Maria Visconti, Duke of Milan, attacks and defeats Pippo Franco, the Condottieri mustering the forces of Spoleto. Spoleto submits to Milanese rule. The Duke of Milan takes his armies home, secure in the knowledge that Spoleto will remain his ally for many years to come, not knowing that in fact Spoleto will wear the coats of five different overlords in four years (a new record! Way to go Alex!)

Genoa sends its fleets and armies to invade Naples, using a rumor that the Regent of the Kingdom of the Two Sicilies (James II, Count of La Marche and husband of the Queen of the Two Sicilies) has imprisoned his Queen and illegally taken rulership of the country from her as an excuse. James II is defeated, but he submits to Genoese rulership. The Genoese find that the Queen is, in fact, locked in a tower to prevent her from interfering with James' rulership, but the Genoese Emissary decides that since James is now a loyal vassal of Genoa, the situation is fine as it is, and the Queen stays locked in the tower. Genoa gains naval control of the Gulf of the Lion.

Map after 1415:

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-goVQi8R5qz0/T15H11mpVJI/AAAAAAAADrs/VnmBD0Klm8o/s500/condottamap1415.gif

[david kuijt]

The Patriarch of Aquileia acts quickly to conquer neighboring Trent, and directs his vassal Venice to subdue the pretensions of the King of Hungary, using Sigismund's recent invasion of Styria as an excuse. Both battles are successful, leading to a New Power in the North.

Bologna conquers adjacent Modena.

Sienna finds the Milanese control of Spoleto unacceptable, and invades them. In a terrible battle both Condottieri leaders are killed, but Sienna wins the day, and the surviving chief Lieutenant of Sienna's Condottieri accepts the surrender of the surviving chief Lieutenant of Spoleto's Condottieri, Pippo Pippo (Alex Bostwick). Will this rulership last? Not even until the next round, as it turns out.

Bergamo conquers Mantua, starting claims of the Great Bostwick Collective.

James of La Marche, leading the forces of Naples, invades and conquers Venetian Dalmatia.

https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-8GjWuCZeuGI/T15H14nXFrI/AAAAAAAADro/U_UKs8Ku_-E/s500/condottamap1416.gif

[david kuijt]

No sooner do the forces of Sienna leave Spoleto when Pippo Pippo betrays his new overlord and sends emissaries asking Bergamo, aka Papa Bostwick, for protection and to join the Bostwick Collective. As shown on the map.

(Spencer forgot that the 21 tile was the Suckup Tile, and gave it to Alex, who immediately used it to switch allegiance to another Ruler -- Bergamo)

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-Xkp7pIDZyl8/T15H2PsIpOI/AAAAAAAADr8/7x1sMwm0uE0/s500/condottamap1416a.gif

[david kuijt]

The Patriarch of Aquileia does not look kindly upon Naples interfering in his region of influence, and invades and conquers Venetian Dalmatia, but not in time to prevent Naples from attacking and conquering his indirect vassal Hungary. Verona also gets in on the "reduce the power of Aquileia" ride, attacking and subduing Styria.

Milan, pining after its lost empire, gets tired of the constant poking of mercenary forces from Switzerland, and invades and conquers the Swiss Confederation.

Genoa conquers Savoy.

Florence conquers Pippo Pippo of Spoleto. Will this stick? It never has before.

The Bostwick Collective evaporates as Modena conquers Mantua and Florence conquers Spoleto. Ancona conquers Bologna, giving them (brief) control over a micro-empire as large and powerful as any on the map in 1417.

https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-089OZTQe-cA/T15H2a_MATI/AAAAAAAADr4/zRpHpUENNSQ/s500/condottamap1417.gif

[Tony Aguilar]

Pictures come up, they did not.

[david kuijt]

Pictures come up, they did not.

DS needs to copy them to his picasa so they can be downloaded; Fanaticus doesn't seem to support direct uploading of images, just linking to existing ones.

[david kuijt]

Mantua conquered Venice, taking them away from the Aquileian sphere of influence, but only briefly, as Bologna fell to the armies of Venetian Dalmatia, taking them back within it. But All was not wonderful for Aquileia, as they were crushed in battle by Verona, who now became true masters of the Northeast and also gained by success from their Styrian vassals, who conquered Ferrara.

Ancona's brief empire was split off through the defeat of their Bolognese vassals, and they were subjected by Naples to become part of the Genoese sphere.

Genoa also gained through their Savoyard vassal's defeat of Florence, which put Pippo Pippo of Spoleta under his fifth different ultimate overlord in a game of four strategic turns, which is a record difficult to beat.

As the game was nearing midnight and Verona's empire was nearly half the map (9 of 22 states owed Verona fealty) we stopped it there, leading to a three way tie between Verona (Alan Ferrency), Aquileia (Mark Pozniak, Ruler of the North until his last-round defeat) and Genoa (Diceman Rick Baier), who controlled 7 of the 22 states himself.

Two other small overlords existed in Sienna and Milan.

And only one city-state was lonely and independent -- Bergamo, once Ruler of the Bostwick Collective.

https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-LOy93L8IUYw/T15H2vA5vWI/AAAAAAAADsI/T1kZsVS62QQ/s500/condottamap1418.gif

[Spencer]

.....

Florence conquers Pippo Pippo of Spoleto. Will this stick? It never has before.



....after that ungrateful and disloyal Pippo Pippo went sucking up to Bergamo, the better half of the Ginder Collective, my wife, immediately brought him back into the fold.....3 cheers for Florence !!!

[Redwilde]

Bergamo is never lonely! There is always Upper Bergamo and Lower Bergamo, and Harlequino keeping everybody entertained :p

[Lobotomy]

....after that ungrateful and disloyal Pippo Pippo went sucking up to Bergamo, the better half of the Ginder Collective, my wife, immediately brought him back into the fold.....3 cheers for Florence !!!

I thought your wife's name is Christina. Do you need an introduction? :rotfl