Why are you painting that?

[Matthew Bailey]

In the "what are you painting?" topic.. I noticed a few quotes that make me kind of go: "Hmmm?"

It started when I was readin gthe number of people doing armies like NKE, Philistines, Hebrews, or other Biblical armies.

Then I saw something that got me confused. It was an OT remark about armies that are "In Favor". In this case the context meant "In God's Favor" referring to a Biblical campaign, but I thought that it meant "Currently in vogue or fashionable to own"...

So, I got to wondering: "Why are all of the Biblical Armies sprouting up all over?"

[Hannibal Ad Portas]

Because they are "in favor!"

[qamie]

Hi Matthew,

Personally I'm a Christian and just like to bring my religious passions and my wargaming passions together. I cant speak for the others however, there is a biblically themed DBA comp coming up soon in the UK. Hmmm?

[Volund]

Originally posted by qamie:
Hi Matthew,

Personally I'm a Christian and just like to bring my religious passions and my wargaming passions together. I hadn't thought about this before, but I'm a modern pagan and my first armies have been classical Pagans (LHG). However I don't think this was the reason I bought them... Come to think of it, the majority of DBA armies are non-Christian, which says something for the wide scope of the army set. I'm attracted to the last stand of the Baltic pagans against the crusading Teutons, but I don't think there's much point trying to win that matchup!

And for an army to truly match my Wiccan tastes I'd have to turn to HOTT, with tongue firmly in cheek, and devise a Buffy-style army with Willow as Hero, and Hordes of teen witches.

Perhaps its best if I don't bother...

Kim

[Timurilank]

I'm attracted to the last stand of the Baltic pagans against the crusading Teutons, but I don't think there's much point trying to win that matchup!

I disagree. My Lithuanians LH have been running circles around the Band of Heavy Metal Bruders while the rest are dazzled by the Ax and Ps dancing through the marshes and forests. Not to forget the pagans revered sacred groves (nice camp setting).

And for an army to truly match my Wiccan tastes I'd have to turn to HOTT, with tongue firmly in cheek, and devise a Buffy-style army with Willow as Hero, and Hordes of teen witches.

A cup of ovaltine and a tea biscuit might help. :D

cheers,

[konstantinius]

I never thought of religion as a primary motive in my army choices. I'm concetrating in the 10-12th c. eras and have an equal amount of Christian and Muslim armies.
As a matter of fact my Byzantines are faring extrememly badly, having lost to the Seljuks and twice to the Sicilians. Being slightly pro-Byzantine, I started my campaign by giving Constantinople extensive territory with a lot of income only to see it squandered 10 years later. The dismal 0-4 record speaks for itself.
Even a freak Pecheneg raid that I threw in just for fun made it outside the walls of Constantinople; the army I sent against it lost a morale throw that is part of my campaign house rules, and fled. Luckily the Pechenegs, who have no siege capabilities and no fleet, all could do was stare in wonder at the triple lands walls.
What I'm trying to say is that my religious/ethnic backround and/or preference have stayed out of DBA. I don't think they should be introduced into the game anyway. It's very easy to follow the "myths" that comprise the core from which the ethnos/nation/tribe/religious group/ is made up of. I'm starting to understand more now what J. Campbell was talking about refering to "archetypes", "heroes", "myths" etc.
I've been a pretty good book, "Balkan Wars: Conquest, Revolution and Retribution from the Ottoman Era to the Twentieth Century and Beyond" by Gerolymatos. For someone from the region, this book is an eye-opener. The Balkan countries (amuzingly, a Muslim word, balk, "mountain")stand unique among nations for having at once and with contiguity invented what we term sectarian religious hatred and ethnic cleansing, together with a pervading sense of the potential for national greatness for each member of the peninsula that was never realized because (as each sees it) of another of its neighbor(s). This has been associated in the national phyche with this or the other defeat or injustice done to them that EVENTUALLY doomed the nation. There isn't a single nation that doesn't have or hasn't in the recent past had some territorial claim on a neighbor; at the same time each is a subject of a territorial claim by another even today.
At odds with one another, each national tragedy is , of course, tied at some point to the 500-year (400 for some) long Ottoman occupation, the founding stone of a lot of today's "myths".
And, while I find my intellectual faculties applauding at such competent display of the main contribution of the ancient Greeks to the human race, Reason, I can't help the tears in my eyes when I read about the past, the old glories, the fall of the City.
Someone else also resides in me someone who, though I never consciously invited in and tend to constantly question in order to reaffirm that he stands on moral ground, is as old as the mountains there. For example: the discovery that Albania ang Greece are, regardless trading and a satisfactory level of foreign relations, in astate of an unmaterialized war since 1945 left me flabbergast. How come wasn't I told of this? What, isn't that something you should, like, mention to your high school kids for example? My father vitited Albania 20 years ago. How come wasn't he detained as a national of a country with whom you're at war? And if we aren't at war why won't someone finally put their bloody signatute on the piece of paper?
However, indignant as I might be at what clearly is a cultural faux pas and an act of cold war on the part of my "own people", I still have difficulty picking how I should describe the disputed territory: is it "Northern Epirus" or "Southern Albania"? There's no other term to use and either of the two will by the etymology of the term inspire and in turn elicit accusations--I call that whole area "the Prespas" after the group of lakes that comprise the point of conjecture of the Greek, Albanian, and (...ahem..uuhm..Macedonia or FYROM (hell no "Macedonia"!!..easy, you creep, eeaasy!) border. All the local languages include a version of that place name (Prespa, Prespansk, Prespinje) making thus acceptable in terms of correctness.
This, friends, is just one of the many typical Balkan mind-f....!!

But because in my case I am a seeker, the previously mentioned tears are ultimately not tears of hate. Deep inside I do know the truth: Thy will learn to love, or thy will be done. May this be the outcome in the generations to come, for enough blood has been spilled already and the accumulated, centuries-old pain of the common folk is great. The most recent example of this pain I can think of is the Bosnian mother who just yesterday found out about the fate of her son, missing for years now, when the Bosnian TV aired the recently surfaced video from Sebrenica: he was one of the executed.

Apologies for the length of this, I feel strongly about the subject. I also apologize if I've hurt feelings and/or incited passions. My intent is not to divide any further but to repair.

Couple of practical steps:

The EU and NATO MUST extend IMMEDIATE membership to Romania and Boulgaria, just as they did with Hungary. Serbia will take a little longer but, they too, MUST be included.
Turkey MUST be admitted in the EU; trust Greek oppinion on the issue and the position of the Greek goverment, they've been dealing with the Turks a loooot longer than the French and the Germans.

Do not bring religion into DBA.

[Matthew Bailey]

I was NOT trying to bring religion into the discussion of why people choose the different armies that they paint, but rather to discuss how certain trends get started in certain armies going into and out of vogue.

I have noticed of late that Biblical Armies seem to have become rather popular. In the past year I have seen a LOT of Islamic Asiatic Horse armies as popular or in vogue...

So... WHY are you painting THAT?

Or, what caused you to choose to paint the armies that you have?

[Cremorn]

Matthew,
So much of my life is tied to deadlines, rules, needs, responsibilities, duties.
When I choose a DBA army, it is on

whim.

I could qualify that a bit by adding "I've got to see that" which is what I often think to myself as I pore over lists. Forthcoming movies, current reading, ancestral roots are also in the mix. Having the DBM lists is sometimes a spur. That little bit of insight into the character of the army - do I want these guys to represent me in competition? I know that the current local disfavour for Kn-heavy armies in my local competitions influences my army choice too. Army composition then? I look for army types I have never played before, and I also don't look for army types I have played and didn't like. For solo playing I like heroic historical encounters.

Konstantinius,
thanks for your post. I know a Bosnian who is prone to the same mood. It's a fascinating part of the world.

Cheers,
Richard.

[ June 06, 2005, 00:00: Message edited by: Cremorn ]

[Macbeth]

The reasoning behind my Current project - the Rise of Islam reads like a Larry Leadhead Cartoon.

I put together an Early Arab Conquest Army from old spare figures to sell to a co-worker (So that she could give it to her son as a birthday present as he wanted to give wargaming a try). In doing so I listed the historical opponents and thought "What a great list of armies". To make up a campaign set I cast the net a little wider and now here I am.

I have put together several Campaign Set lists based on the interest piqued from a book or movie, or by seeing one cool looking army out on the table. It is for that reason alone that I have now embarked on my first Biblical Era army in 22 years - I set up the list of armies for a Trojan War Campaign, one of them being Early Libyan. I ordered them with my MOAB winnings (because they are cheap) and now they are on strips ready to paint.

But that is why I paint what I paint - we start with an army that piques my interest and work out from there. Often as one of the secondary armies takes shape the web grows out.

Larry might have been warned that the DBA lists are not a checklist, but once the snowball starts rolling ....

Cheers

[Cremorn]

Originally posted by Macbeth:
the DBA lists are not a checklist,
Cheers :)

...


...Wha!? They're not?!!

[Tony Aguilar]

Not much interest in Biblicals here. Too many "generic loincloths" for my taste.

[dg]

I can offer an alternative hypothesis for why a lot of people are starting biblical armies, and that is that they already have sufficient of the others and are looking for something new.
This is my current consideration - I have classical, Dark ages and Medieval armies, and would now like to do something different.

Apart from that, I think some of the Biblical extras, war wagons and so on, look really interesting.
So its time to do a bit of research, and look at what I would like to take on :D

[Bill Sumruld]

Like some others my armies are chosen for a number of reasons. Greek Hoplites just look cool plus I like the idea of citizen soldiers defending their homes. Persians because the Greeks have to have an arch nemesis. Kyreneans because who can resist classical Greeks with chariots? Alexander and his successors for the sheer drama. How can you not do a Roman army or three with all that history and all those opponents. And of course you have to do the major enemies of your Romans. And the Bible, has there ever been a more influential book?, and all those great stories. And Lydians because a Biblical period Kn army that looks classical Greek is irresistable. So far I have resisted list 3 and 4 armies and the armies of India and most of Asia but that could change. I keep looking at all those unpainted troops, my limited time and my age, and then I find myself buyin more. :rolleyes: ;)

[Bill Sumruld]

Personally, I think no one should get upset about someone else's motive for choosing an army. What are you so afraid of? Just let everyone be themselves. Frankly, I did not see anyone trying to push a religious agenda, so what was the feverish upset all about? If you are secure in whatever your belief system is, you don't feel the need to get upset about what someone else believes. Hey, lighten up. This is not life and death, it is just a hobby and a fun one at that. Just my two cents, with no intent to upset or berate anyone. I just wish the super tolerant were actually tolerant of other people's views and would truly live and let live without attempting to censor others.

[Pozanias]

For me it's:

figure quality
historical interest
army composition
heritage

The Classical Period is my favorite (with Greek Classical edging out Roman Classical). I'm just awed by the level of sophistication those civilizations (and some of their neighbors) reached.

So, I was in luck when Corvus Belli produced Romans/Carthaginians/etc and Xyston produced LHG/Macedonians/etc.

Next on my list is Alexander, probably to be followed by Classical Indians.

[Pozanias]

Originally posted by Matthew Bailey:
I was NOT trying to bring religion into the discussion of why people choose the different armies that they paint, but rather to discuss how certain trends get started in certain armies going into and out of vogue.

I have noticed of late that Biblical Armies seem to have become rather popular. In the past year I have seen a LOT of Islamic Asiatic Horse armies as popular or in vogue...

So... WHY are you painting THAT?

Or, what caused you to choose to paint the armies that you have? But, maybe someone's religion is the answer to your question. Or lack of religion.

Certainly we should avoid discussions/debates about religion and politics on this forum, because to do otherwise would risk losing the amazing civility found here. But to say one's religion influences their DBA interests is not really the same as debating religion. In other words, I think we're on pretty safe ground here.

[Bill Sumruld]

You said it well Poznias.

[Bill Sumruld]

Some simple suggestions and a practice I have been trying to follow for a while on this forum.

1. Avoid political and religious debates (I sort of blundered into a couple of these in a mild way early in my participation here)

2. If you feel offended when someone (who should know better) injects inflamatory poltical or religious language, count to ten, try to ignore it (or say to yourself "Well, everyone can't be as enlightened as I am. I hope they see the light some day." or, if so inclined, pray silently for them) and let it be ignored by the rest of us as well.

3. If they seem to be really exercised and refuse to drop it on their own, gently and kindly remind them that there are times and places for such discussions and this forum is NOT the time or place.

4. Encourage them to be truly tolerant of others views, if they are truly confident in their own views this won't be very hard to do. I have found the people who usually shout the loudest about things are the one's trying to convince themselves that they are right.

I have not seen these rules itemized on the site but I have noticed that many of us seem to have the maturity to follow practices very like these.

This is a terrific and fun site. Let's keep it that way.

Sermon is over :D

[Volund]

Originally posted by Pozanias:
Certainly we should avoid discussions/debates about religion and politics on this forum, because to do otherwise would risk losing the amazing civility found here. But to say one's religion influences their DBA interests is not really the same as debating religion. In other words, I think we're on pretty safe ground here. Agree wholeheartedly. I have no problem with a Christian choosing to model a Biblical army, any more than a New Zealander modelling a set of Maori blades. I can't imagine anyone being so crass as to, say, deliberately lose with an army they were generalling just because they were the 'wrong' lot! Certainly if I were playing the Teutons I'd be trying to whup those pagans asses with all the gusto I could muster!

The heritage reason seems a pretty safe one, I just wish the armies who have rampaged over the British Isles were a little more varied! Then I'd be collecting them first, rather than going the LHG/Alex/Classical Indian route...

Kim

[Redwilde]

Right now, my painting choices are governed by a mix of interest generated by my current classes and compatability with armies I already have.

A Trojan War set would be nice since I've been taking several Homeric Greek classes. But the Latin classes won out with a Punic War set, since the Later Cartho's can easily morph into Early Cartho's to go up against my Kureneans and a growing morphing set of Hoplite Greeks.

I like having an expanding time-continuum of historical opponents. Having first acquired a scattering of armies from all 4 books and 4 contintents, I am now building more depth around them.

If I ever get around to stretching back earlier in Book I armies than the Phoenicians, personal scholarly and religious interests would lead me to Trojan War or Sumerian as a central focus rather than Biblical.

While my political and religious leanings lead me to root much more heavily for the Republican Romans or the Brits rather than Imperial Romans (even the Pagan Religio Romana became way too centralised for my liking under the Emporer!), I'll still happily play an Imperial army and go stomping with it.

[konstantinius]

I decided to concentrate on a specific period (10th-12th c.) and eventually got enough figs for about 24 armies of that time span from Europe, M.East, and N. Africa. Only two armies don't belong in that period, my first matced pair ever of LIM (West)and Scots-Irish. After that I found my calling, so to speak.
By the way, how many prefer a single period for all their armies as opposed to those who "century-hop"?

[Tony Aguilar]

konstantinius, I also like the 10th-12th century time period. that fits weel with my Feudal Spanish and Fanatic Berbers that I am working on now. I also see the the armies of Robert Guiscard and Alexis Commena on the horizon! I can't wait to hand paint those Byzantine shields!

[David Kuijt]

Originally posted by konstantinius:
I decided to concentrate on a specific period (10th-12th c.) and eventually got enough figs for about 24 armies of that time span from Europe, M.East, and N. Africa. Only two armies don't belong in that period, my first matced pair ever of LIM (West)and Scots-Irish. After that I found my calling, so to speak.
By the way, how many prefer a single period for all their armies as opposed to those who "century-hop"? My plan is to have about 24 armies from EVERY 3-century time span.

[Matthew Bailey]

Originally posted by Pozanias:
For me it's:

figure quality
historical interest
army composition
heritage

The Classical Period is my favorite (with Greek Classical edging out Roman Classical). I'm just awed by the level of sophistication those civilizations (and some of their neighbors) reached.

So, I was in luck when Corvus Belli produced Romans/Carthaginians/etc and Xyston produced LHG/Macedonians/etc.

Next on my list is Alexander, probably to be followed by Classical Indians. I kind of have that same "figure quality" thing going on.

I have my favorite periods: Classical Roman Republic (Both early and late) and Imperial Rome (Only Early really); Alexander and Classical Greece (early/later Hoplite and Hellenistic); but all the rest are driven strictly by figure queality.

As an example... I have been being drawn to build a medeival army because of the Mirliton and Corvus Belli figures that are now available. I know literally nothing of the period's military history (But a lot about its religious history), but the figures just look so Damned good that I will just HAVE to get some to paint...

and if I have to have some to paint... might as well do an army or two.

That is well down on my army lists to do though. I have the complete Xyston line to make armies out of (Later Hoplite Greeks, Alexandrian and successsors, Indians - all three book II lists, Thracians, and probably Kappadocians as well. Plus anything else that you can put an army together out of from the Xyston line; like Pyrrhic) including replacing my Essex Republican Romans with Xyston Romans, and I have the classical materials that Corvus Belli makes to finish too... Not to mention the Early Etruscans, Latins and Romans from Mirlitons... Then I will have some Museum El Cid period Spanish and Andalusians, and then some Museum Ghurids, Ghaznavids or Buyids.. then some Museum (or if I can find better looking ones) Normans (Especially if I can find some really decent Sicilian or Antioch Normans)

THEN I will be able to do the Corvus Belli and Mirliton Medievals and HYW figures...

Unless something that just REALLY knocks my socks off comes out before then.. Then I might have to add that to my list before it as well.. Like if Corvus Belli were to do Marian Romans or Germans... I would have to stop and do those first... Or if Xyston came out with Parthian and Sassanid Persians... I would have to do those first... and so on...

[Matthew Bailey]

Originally posted by Pozanias:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Matthew Bailey:
I was NOT trying to bring religion into the discussion of why people choose the different armies that they paint, but rather to discuss how certain trends get started in certain armies going into and out of vogue.

I have noticed of late that Biblical Armies seem to have become rather popular. In the past year I have seen a LOT of Islamic Asiatic Horse armies as popular or in vogue...

So... WHY are you painting THAT?

Or, what caused you to choose to paint the armies that you have? But, maybe someone's religion is the answer to your question. Or lack of religion.

Certainly we should avoid discussions/debates about religion and politics on this forum, because to do otherwise would risk losing the amazing civility found here. But to say one's religion influences their DBA interests is not really the same as debating religion. In other words, I think we're on pretty safe ground here. </font>[/QUOTE]That is pretty much what I meant... I didn't want it to get too OT...

[dg]

Regarding the century hopping question - my own interest is to expand my collections over as long a period as possible - my main motivation(apart from the fun of collecting such diverse armies) is that I find a fasination in the development of technology and behaviour as weapons of conflict - studying both at different times of human development have given me insights( I think) into why changes took place and why they were successful.
I am planning a couple of games of DBR this weekend, and one point of that is to begin to understand a little the changes that took place in technology and training/formations to cope with the widescale introduction of gunpowder weapons.
The second point of course is to enjoy a couple of games with my son who is home for the weekend :D

[I. M. Barnicus]

I got my:
- Teutonics and Mongols because the Teuts looked so damned impressive and the Mongs were an historical matchup.
- Early Imperial Romans because they fought just everybody and fought 'em damn well.
- Spartans because the bag was just $9!
- Carolingian Franks because it is an "army of ethnic origin."
- Sung Chinese because my Mongols needed someone to fight in Asia and they're just so exotic.

I forget who said it earlier, but "whim" plays a major role in my decisions on what to paint.

[Bill Sumruld]

Originally posted by konstantinius:
By the way, how many prefer a single period for all their armies as opposed to those who "century-hop"? As my post before indicated, I have no list 3 or 4 armies. The fact is my list one and two armies, both painted and unpainted, range only the end of list one say about 1/48 Thracians to 2/56 Imperial Romans. I'm definitely pretty much stuck in the classical age but I am eyeing the possibilities of Hebrews and Philistines currently and consider from time to time expanding by Carthaginian Libyans into a whole army, morphing my Early Carths into Phoenicians, adding to my Persian Scythians to make a whole army of those, or doing some Fall or Rome period armies. Haven't done any of those yet, still just being tempted in those directions. :D ;)

[Jim Rapczynski]

It should be obvious why I painted (and continue to paint) Late Poles. I was painting Macedonians because they were nice figures that Nyholm gave me. I painted the Late Serbs because a friend of mine is Serbian and we wanted to get him to play. All my other projects have something to do with Poles. For some, part of the joy of this hobby hinges on being able to identify with your army.
As for Konstantinius' long posting, well, sometimes it is good to listen to people, you might learn something. (I did a peace-keeping tour, seeing Hungary, Croatia, and Bosnia.)

[Martian]

Originally posted by David Kuijt:
My plan is to have about 24 armies from EVERY 3-century time span. Don't you already? tongue.gif

BTW I like the new Avatar. A vast improvement I must say.

But wheres the jaunty cap and feather?

Back to topic:

Since I don't paint I'll make this why I collect certain armies.

Long ago I discovered that I could make more friends by teaching others to play the games I love playing.

So I keep my eye out for inexpensive purchases of ready to play armies that I don't mind loaning to others since I don't have blood, sweat and tears invested in the paint job.

Right now I'm looking for Islamic armies as I plan to run a Crusades themed event at our local convention in September.

Why Crusades? We run a themed event at this convention every year. The winner gets to pick the theme for the next one!

Marty

[ June 07, 2005, 19:28: Message edited by: Martian ]

[David Kuijt]

Originally posted by Martian:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by David Kuijt:
My plan is to have about 24 armies from EVERY 3-century time span. Don't you already? tongue.gif

BTW I like the new Avatar. A vast improvement I must say.
</font>[/QUOTE]Truth in advertising.

Back to the armies topic -- these days I paint only armies that are pretty. Unless there are primo figures for an army, it don't get painted. And it helps if it makes a really cool, new, untried-by-anyone Big Battle army, too.

[Darren Buxbaum]

What usually makes me chose an army to paint is based upon a historical personality or hero. I tend to get excited after reading a book or seeing a movie and say "I want to paint that guy's army!". When I first started playing DBA, I saw Kenneth Branaugh's version of "Henry V". As a result, I had to paint the HYW English and Medieval French. Even recently, I felt that way after seeing "Kingdom of Heaven" and had an urge to paint Saladin's army. I have say though that books are a greater influence since most of the historical people read more like characters to me and I enjoy writing campaigns to fit them into. Some personalities can be just or monsters or boobs. For the last 5-6 years I have fallen in love with the Eastern European/Balkan region for 1300 & 1400 periods due to my fascination with the colorful personalities of that era. The end result is that most of my armies are for that period/region. My current project deals with Tamerlane. Not only is he a fascinating person, but the armies that he faced were the best in his day (Golden Horde, Mamluks, Ottomans, Muslim Indians, etc...). In writing this campaign, I will have to barrow some of Marlowe's words for flavor of course. So for the most part, when I pick an army it is based on a few central characters for a historical campaign.
Sometimes I do get inspired by the "underdog factor" of a people and want to paint their list. I used to love fielding my Later Swiss army due to the fact that "they were just farmers" (or lowly infantry) that usually kicked the snot out of the best mounted knights of their day (add the Winkelried character as well).
Lastly, I as of late have been leaning towards ethnic related armies. This might have been inspired by my last trip to Europe. I enjoy playing my Medieval Germans and can't wait to paint up an Old Saxon army! Anyway, these are a few reasons why I chose those armies to paint.

[ June 08, 2005, 01:22: Message edited by: Darren Buxbaum ]

[Ed Dillon]

Originally posted by David Kuijt:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Martian:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by David Kuijt:
My plan is to have about 24 armies from EVERY 3-century time span. Don't you already? tongue.gif

BTW I like the new Avatar. A vast improvement I must say.
</font>[/QUOTE]Truth in advertising.

</font>[/QUOTE]I think that he meant that it hides your face... tongue.gif

Now you're gonna to what? Threaten to kick my butt at the tourneys at H'con? Yeah, like THAT'S something new. ;)

Your lead does look good. It just looks less good sitting in my camp... And no, you aren't ugly or repulsive either. Heck, the real Darth Vader looks like Uncle Fester without his helmet on. Just remember, Darths Kuijt and Schlanger, it's one thing to be a star. It is quite a different thing to be a Death Star.

I generally pick armies because I'm interested in the area, the time period, one of their enemies, or something truly mundane (they got warband!). Locally many of us are covering entire campaigns now. In fact I think that Paul has been armies by the half dozen for a couple of years now. I'm still looking forward to that Spice Road campaign...

Ed

[David Kuijt]

Originally posted by Ed Dillon:
Just remember, Darths Kuijt and Schlanger, it's one thing to be a star. It is quite a different thing to be a Death Star.
Hmm. I'm just not sure how to respond to that one...

[imported_Slartibartfast]

Originally posted by David Kuijt:

Hmm. I'm just not sure how to respond to that one...

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Use the Force!

:D

[orca]

Chariots!

I am painting Biblical armies cause chariots are so cool.

[imported_JamesLDIII]

Technically I am not painting since I have been sending my figures out for a paint job (too busy with school and two small children).

Lately my choices have been to finish off all those unfinished projects languishing in boxes. So the Post Mongol Samurai I bought in 1994 and painted in 2003 will finally have some other East Asian enemies to fight in 2005. I actually finished up a Hebrew, Egyptian, and Assyrian army in 2003 that I bought the figures for in 1993. I have yet to finish my 1066 campaign armies, originally purchased in 1993, since I demoted my "Norman" army back into 12th century Feudal French. My last personal paint job was the Scots Isles army in 2004. I recently purchased the replacement 11th century knights for my Normans, but now I realize I need some Bretons and better infantry figures.

The next justification for (purchasing) and painting has been figure choice. Since I use 6mm figures, rejuvenated my army purchases with the advent of Baccus figures. I started with the Greeks (don't you just love Thucydides) and have been expanding as Baccus has expanded. My latest send out for paint project includes Macedonian/Hellenistic pikemen, other Hellenistic cavalry, and a random Hunnic army I picked up on ebay. So my next project looks to be Later Roman Empire...

I have actually considered trying to zero out my unpainted lead collection. Maybe I have a death wish as any wargamer knows ye shall surely die the day the last figure in the collection is painted.

[Pthomas]

Originally posted by David Kuijt:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Ed Dillon:
Just remember, Darths Kuijt and Schlanger, it's one thing to be a star. It is quite a different thing to be a Death Star.
Hmm. I'm just not sure how to respond to that one... </font>[/QUOTE]I recommend the tried and true method of destroying his home planet! But remember:

By striking him down he will become more powerful then you can possibly imagine.

Obi Wan Pthomas

[David Kuijt]

Originally posted by Pthomas:
I recommend the tried and true method of destroying his home planet!

Ooo, good suggestion!

But remember:

By striking him down he will become more powerful then you can possibly imagine.
Nah. Statistically, it looks like you can slaughter about 1000 Jedi Knights before you run into one where striking him down only makes him more powerful than I can possibly imagine. So I don't need to start being careful for another 750 Jedi or so.

[Matthew Bailey]

Originally posted by jldiii:
I have actually considered trying to zero out my unpainted lead collection. Maybe I have a death wish as any wargamer knows ye shall surely die the day the last figure in the collection is painted. Then I shall never die...

[Ed Dillon]

Originally posted by David Kuijt:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Pthomas:
I recommend the tried and true method of destroying his home planet!

Ooo, good suggestion!


OK. I'll 'fess up. I'm from Canada! :eek:

But remember:

By striking him down he will become more powerful then you can possibly imagine.
Nah. Statistically, it looks like you can slaughter about 1000 Jedi Knights before you run into one where striking him down only makes him more powerful than I can possibly imagine. So I don't need to start being careful for another 750 Jedi or so. </font>[/QUOTE](ed note)
A former Jedi Master once said something about "lies, d_m_ed lies, & statistics".
Besides, the other Jedi weren't actually dieing, they were just moved into the Reserve Pool. Remember, this is a campaign game...
ed

[ June 11, 2005, 02:03: Message edited by: Ed Dillon ]

[David Kuijt]

Originally posted by Ed Dillon:

Besides, the other Jedi weren't actually dieing, they were just moved into the Reserve Pool. Remember, this is a campaign game...
ed So you're saying it wouldn't bother you personally, being "moved into the reserve pool?" In the movie it sure seemed painful and awkward, what with the shooting-in-the-back and stuff.

[Ed Dillon]

Originally posted by David Kuijt:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Ed Dillon:

Besides, the other Jedi weren't actually dieing, they were just moved into the Reserve Pool. Remember, this is a campaign game...
ed So you're saying it wouldn't bother you personally, being "moved into the reserve pool?" In the movie it sure seemed painful and awkward, what with the shooting-in-the-back and stuff. </font>[/QUOTE]You believed the Hollywood Version?!!! :eek:
Sheesh, what rube. What an ultra-maroon. (Bugs Bunny was Yoda's Jedi Master...)
I don't plan on being moved to the reserve pool until I've caught a few thousand more fish... Your light saber is dinky compared to my fly rods; which are more elegant than your clumsy, random, blaster-like light saber. Besides, as much unpainted lead as I've got, your light-saber would fail to cast the faintest shadow on my health. (My success in the NICT is quite another matter, however.)
BTW, there is a new series of flies called the Dark Side of the Force. There is even a Darth Vader pattern. Interestingly enough, that pattern is a Nymph...
Ed