DBA-RRR Theme Ideas for Fall In 2011

[Pavane]

If we had 6 or more RRR players, committed to playing at Fall In 2011, we could propose a theme and have enough time for players to paint an appropriate army. We could easily create a 2Davids style Italian Wars campaign/tournament, or a BBDBA-RRR game with two 3-player sides (a battle where one or both sides have an allied command would be great). My personal preference would be for a Book 1 or Book 2 European based conflict, but I am flexible within those constraints. Is anyone else interested?

[John Loy]

Will: I have not yet played RRRrrrrrrrrrr; but am considering giving it a try at Cold Wars. All depends on the PEL and timing for your event.

But I am interested;)

John

[Rich Gause]

I would be very interested in such a theme at Historicon, not Fall In. I will even commit to painting an army for it if needed and I don't much care what theme it is.

[Pavane]

I would be very interested in such a theme at Historicon, not Fall In. I will even commit to painting an army for it if needed and I don't much care what theme it is.
I will not be at Historicon, but perhaps the same theme could be used and two different types of events held at each of the two cons.

[Little Caesar]

Will,

This will come as no surprise but I vote for a BB or Giant sized scenario. I can help you put this together in any way you need, including lots and lotsof elements and/or terrain.

Steve

[Kontos]

I'm in! :2up

Frank

[RonG]

Can't we do both? :up

[Pavane]

Here is one proposal. The second "big" battle of the ECW was the First Battle of Newbury, 20 Sept. 1643. We could easily do this as a team game like we did at Cold Wars, and the battle is well balanced. Unlike the Edgehill game, where I had too many elements for the DBA-RRR game system, I would scale this for three commands and approximately 36 elements per side. I can supply all of the Royalists, so we would need other players to supply/paint the Parliamentarian forces. The elements would break down like this:

Royalists (38 elements)
King Charles I's Command (C-in-C, right): 1 x Pi.G, 5 x Pk, 8 Sh, 1 x Art.
Sir Nicholas Byron's Command (centre): 1 x Kn.G, 3 x Kn, 2 x Pk, 6 x Sh.
Prince Rupert's Command (left): 1 x Kn.G, 9 x Kn, 1 x Dr.

Parliamentarians (32 elements)
Earl of Essex's Command (C-in-C, right): 1 x Pi.G, 1 x Pi, 3 x Cv, 2 x Pk, 4 x Sh, 1 x Dr.
Maj. Gen. Skippon's Command (left): 1 x Pk.G, 3 x Cv, 2 x Pk, 4 x Sh.
Reserve: 1 x Pk.G, 3 x Pk, 5 x Sh, 1 x Art.

Each command rolls a different coloured die (like an allied command in BBDBA), but the C-in-C player may swap his die roll with one of the other players on his team. This is decided on a bound by bound basis.

Parliament occupies Round Hill at the start of the battle, and it was tactically important to hold, so it would be worth the equivalent of 1 additional element lost to each Parliamentarian command if last occupied by Royalists. Once broken, a command would remain so even if Round Hill was recaptured by Parliament.

We would play the game twice, so the teams would switch sides and the combined results would determine the overall winning team.

EDIT: Actually, I can supply either side as I have the unpainted horse for the Parliamentary side and need a deadline to get me started painting. If others would rather paint up Royalists, I can accomodate that.

[Bob. (and his dog)]

I would love to do a giant battle of RRR. I propose Fornovo. Not a battle of two lines facing each other. A wide variety of troop types. I have done this with DBA and DBR and would really like to see how it goes with RRR. I could provide all the figures in 25mm. Fall in would be better for me as I will have quite a few events to manage at Historicon. Players could bring their own command if they desired.

This would need 6-8 players and last 3 -4 hours.


http://www-personal.umich.edu/~beattie/fornovo99/fornovopics.html
http://www-personal.umich.edu/~beattie/FORNOVO.html

This is a very exciting battle.

[Pavane]

I would love to do a giant battle of RRR. I propose Fornovo. Not a battle of two lines facing each other. A wide variety of troop types. I have done this with DBA and DBR and would really like to see how it goes with RRR. I could provide all the figures in 25mm. Fall in would be better for me as I will have quite a few events to manage at Historicon. Players could bring their own command if they desired.

This would need 6-8 players and last 3 -4 hours.


http://www-personal.umich.edu/~beattie/fornovo99/fornovopics.html
http://www-personal.umich.edu/~beattie/FORNOVO.html

This is a very exciting battle.
That looks good Bob. I wouldn't paint any 25mm's, but I would be happy to use yours.

[John Svensson]

Count me in for Fornovo and Newbury if both can be fitted to Fall In. Also, to Will's original idea, I'd be up for a DBA-RRR Tourney such as Kyle held at this Fall In, but perhaps having it more 'focused' and restricting it to say...Italian Wars armies would be great. I'm planning on painting a couple of them anyway and you wouldn't have the wide disparity in eras being used. John S.

[RonG]

No, please do not restrict DBA-RRR army use in an open tournament. Not everyone has RRR armies covering the whole lists.:up

[John Svensson]

I hear you Ron, but Will did say a "Themed Event" rather than an open tournament. I guess I shouldn't have said tournament myself. I didn't mean to upset the meaning of what an "Open" is supposed to be. A few years back Bob B. ran a War of the Roses event using 4 different DBA sized boards with the key terrain features of 4 different battles, with a battle specific rule thrown in ..reinforecements, etc. Something along those lines geared toward the Italian Wars could be interesting for a themed event with everyone getting a shot at 3 different historically based battles, for example. I'd personally leave it as an event and take "tournament" out of the picture.
John S.

[Tony Aguilar]

Ron, if I run a DBA-RRR tourney again at Historicon it will be an Open Event.

I am not "dissing" Themed Events at Cold Wars/Fall In...I just don't attend those conventions (we have our own down here in the South very close to those dates)

[Little Caesar]

Bob,

If you are willing to transport all those 25's, I would be willing to play as long as it ain't Sunday or opposite my DBN game.

Steve

[Pavane]

No, please do not restrict DBA-RRR army use in an open tournament. Not everyone has RRR armies covering the whole lists.:up
Ron,

What RRR armies do you own? I am very flexible to what the theme is, but I find open tournaments colourless, and don't want to be locked into them forever.

Given the 9-month (or so) lead time to Fall-In, I do not see any problem with a themed tournament as there is lots of painting time. It could be a tight theme like Armies of the Great Italian Wars (I/1 - I/7), or a looser theme like 15th Century Armies (armies earlier than 1500AD), or Book II armies.

[Kontos]

Or Eastern Europe 1650-1700. Not that I have any projects in mind for that period. :D ;)

Frank

[Pavane]

Or Eastern Europe 1650-1700. Not that I have any projects in mind for that period. :D ;)

Frank
That could make a nice campaign style tournament with Sweden, Russia, Ottomans, HRE, and Poland for sure. I'm not sure who the 6th player would be to round it out (perhaps Hungary or a second Polish player).

[Kontos]

Perhaps those pesky Cossacks?

[Tony Aguilar]

Perhaps those pesky Cossacks?

Definitely. Look no further than the famous "Reply of the Zaporozhian Cossacks to the Sultan" for the inspiration.

From Wikipedia:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reply_of_the_Zaporozhian_Cossacks

I would post the reply, but it has some unsavory language (check it out!)

Classic stuff! :D

[Pavane]

I played against Cossacks at the IWF DBR Championships in Washington a couple of years ago with my ECW Royalists. LH is formidable in DBR because of the enhanced movement capabilities; less so in DBA and RRR. They would be fun to play though (and easy to paint).

EDIT: The stiking force of the Cossacks are classed as Sipahis in DBR, and Cavalry in RRR. Sipahis QK my Royalist Pi(F) in DBR, and were quite a worry, but Cv vs. Kn in RRR is more easily handled.

[John Svensson]

An Eastern European Themed event would be great....as Mike Guth has pointed out to me, they don't generally stack up well against more shot heavy Western armies of a comparable period, but work great amongst themselves. Besides, I have 1570 Swedes and Ivan The Terrible's Russians already done with Gulay Gorod camp. Tartars should also be included, that would be an interesting army. John

[michael guth]

If there were sufficient interest especially loaner armies, I could run a 2 Davids style campaign set in the Med circa 1500.

Armies included would be Papal States, Venice, Colonial Venice, Milan, Genoa, Naples, Pisa, Florence, Sienna, Spanish, Switzerland Catholic, Swiss Protestant, German Minor States, Maximillian Imperial, Ottoman, Barbary Corsairs, Knights of St. John. Possibly a second Spanish player.

A bit smaller than a 2 Davids event. Not sure if having this smaller number of players would render the campaign less fun.

I have one Swiss, one Italian Condotta, Spanish and Ottomans; and probably Maghrebi/Barbary Corsairs. We need lots of Condotta armies obviously.

Could we fill out the list with interested players and armies? Give me a show of possibly interested parties. Then I have to hope that David will give me some lessons in making maps!

Mike Guth

[Pavane]

Mike,

I would play, and I have Maximilian Imperials.

[RonG]

I now have Japanese, Mamluk, Eastern Forest Indians, Polynesians, ECW, Dutch Rebellion, Scots Jacobite and soon Ming. So I guess that leaves me out of the theme.:sick But wait, maybe I can put together a papacy, it will be a stretch!

[michael guth]

I'm more interested in trying to get a head count. I think we had 8 for DBA RRR at Fall In. If we only have 8 players then the map/campaign/vassal thing isn't as appealing, since over 6 games you might as well do a round robin. I'd like to draw enough players to put 12-16 participants together.

This thread appears to have become buried a bit by the Tupi thread. I hope that others will see it, and maybe Tony and the Floridians will offer some input. Feel free to PM with questions and comments.

Mike Guth

[John Svensson]

Yoiu can put me down Mike, I'll paint up an army for use. John S.

[michael guth]

I'll make a formal announcement of the event after Christmas and we'll see who many players I can get to commit.

Mike

[Pavane]

So far all of the DBA-RRR participants have been members of Fanaticus; there have not been any walk-ups. Therefore, we should be able to determine on-line the most popular theme choice for Fall In amongst ourselves and run with it.

I've been thinking recently about a modified 2Davids style campaign tournament for two opposing teams instead of individual nation-states. The French Wars of Religion, the Dutch Rebellion, the 30 Years War and the ECW are all good possibilities for such a system.

I have several ECW strategic level board games, and I am sure that I could come up with a hybrid game system that would allow for team play. Each player would command a regional army for one of the two sides. Points would be awarded for winning battles, holding territory, and bonus points for holding certain strategic locations. Battle losses would be replaced between rounds through recruitment. There would be special events (to make it interesting). Since there are a limited number of rounds, we would not try to complete the entire war, just a portion of it.

What do you think?

[kontos]

I'm game for something different whether I paint up or borrow an army. :up

[john svensson]

Will: I would be in for this at Fall In - 2011, any new and interesting twist is appreciated. John Svensson