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WMelnick
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posted May 24, 2000 08:12     Click Here to See the Profile for WMelnick   Click Here to Email WMelnick     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
And hail to David for coming up with the idea, putting it all together, and being creative with the final reporting. an all around great effort. Thanks.

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posted May 24, 2000 07:04     Click Here to See the Profile for Bill   Click Here to Email Bill     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
A great tournament. Exciting and closely fought games and true gentlemen for opponents. Thanks to you all. Bill

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posted May 23, 2000 23:10     Click Here to See the Profile for Beto   Click Here to Email Beto     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Great tournamet... and hail to the victors... They´re great commanders.

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posted May 23, 2000 11:55     Click Here to See the Profile for David Kuijt   Click Here to Email David Kuijt     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
FINAL RESULTS!!!


  1. +12: D2 Futsukayoi and D4 Hammer (tie)
  2. +10: E2 Kanishka
  3. +9: D5 Beto
  4. +7: D6 Nightmere
  5. +3: E1 Dusty the Mighty
  6. +2: D3 Young Stan
  7. +1: D1 Bill

Futsukayoi/Eumenes and Hammer King of Macedon were the two greatest Diadachoi. Each formed a mighty Kingdom and powerful dynasties. Centuries later Hammer's Macedonian Kingdom was finally subdued by Rome, and Futsukayoi's Persian Kingdom overthrown by the Parthians about the same time, but their names rang through history with honour.

Kanishka was the name given to the mightiest foe of the Diadachoi, and historians now consider his many victories to be a major factor in the subsequent decline and fall of Alexander's Empire under his successors.
Only the two greatest Diadachoi Kingdoms, those of Hammer and Futsukayoi, were able to hold back and defeat the fierce barbarian neighbours they named Kanishka! Kanishka made clear that Alexander may have formed an Empire, but his successors could not hold it together.

Beto Seleucus was the greatest Diadachoi foe of Hammer and Futsukayoi. His Anatolian Kingdom defied them both, and by the strength of his mighty army he managed to maintain his independence. Even though his Kingdom was not as great as that of Hammer and Futsukayoi, he and his successors managed to survive by playing one side against the other between the two stronger Diadachoi Kingdoms. When Rome and Parthia conquered the two neighbors, his successors continued playing the two mighty neighbors off against each other, and so survived for many centuries more until finally conquered by Rome.

Nightmere/Ptolemy was a great commander, with many notable victories against the other Diadachoi. His constant warring left him no time to govern his Kingdom and raise a dynasty; finally he was slain in battle against Hammer in Macedonia. His Kingdom became a minor power without his leadership, eventually becoming absorbed into the sphere of the other surviving Kingdoms.

Dusty the Mighty, so named because of his one great victory in a sandstorm, was a Midianite commander who defeated Bill Antigonus. Little else is known about him; his name is all that survives.

Young Stan Lysimachus showed great promise as a general. He conquered Illyria and even defeated mighty Hammer in battle. Alas, his two sons were killed in battle against Bill Antigonus and mighty Futsukayoi. He started drinking heavily; after a series of defeats in battle against the other Diadachoi he took poison.

Bill Antigonus was considered one of the most promising commanders of the Diadachoi. Soon after his victory over Young Stan Lysimachus he invaded Macedonia and was assassinated as he stepped onto the shore. Needless to say, the battle that followed didn't go well; his line ended, his army evaporated, and he ended up no more than a footnote in history.

All these results are posted on the website for Section 3. I hope everyone enjoyed the tournament.

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WMelnick
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posted May 22, 2000 22:47     Click Here to See the Profile for WMelnick   Click Here to Email WMelnick     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The final battle result is in, as Hammer's later Macedonians defeated Dusty's Barbarians 4-2. The Macedonian pike on the right flank clashed with Dusty's warbands and each side ended up with two elements evaprating. The ultimate decision then came in the center where the outnumbered Macedonian Aux got the better of their enemy counterparts (although the numerical disadvantage was offset when half of Dusty's Aux never got their column out of some woods).

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posted May 21, 2000 16:48     Click Here to See the Profile for WMelnick   Click Here to Email WMelnick     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
One down, one to go.

Hammer beat Kanishka 4-1.

It was a slow developing battle as the Macedonian pike was sent swinging around a hill to flank Kanishka's main line. Imagine how long it takes for a block of six pike to swing around a hill held by aux. On the other flank, a Kn, Cv, and Ps held off Kanishka's main battle line long enough for the battle to be decided on the pike flank (although even there it was the Macedonian aux who did most of the work).

Battle still rages with Dusty.

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posted May 19, 2000 22:16     Click Here to See the Profile for Kanishka   Click Here to Email Kanishka     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Looks like I'm going to lose.

And it's sayonara from me - the subscription is way too much converted into a steadily weakening NZ$

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posted May 18, 2000 20:44     Click Here to See the Profile for David Kuijt   Click Here to Email David Kuijt     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Only two more battles and Section 3 will be finished! And the final results are still up in the air, depending upon the last two battles. Hammer has two battles to go (vs. Dusty and vs. Kanishka). If he wins both of them, he could win all the marbles and form the greatest Successor Kingdom. But if he loses the battle to Kanishka, Kanishka might tie or beat any other Successor, which could be a defeat for every Successor in Section 3. And if Kanishka loses, but Hammer loses to Dusty, then Futsukayoi will have the most points in Section 3 and form a dynasty that will last for centuries.

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posted May 18, 2000 20:27     Click Here to See the Profile for Beto   Click Here to Email Beto     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I won the game against E1 ( Dusty with army 5)4-2. It was a game plagued by the exploding BoD (i really don´t like this solution. No general was killed. Anyway Dusty´s forces manouvered quite a bit but the dice god was on the seleucids side.

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posted May 15, 2000 19:57     Click Here to See the Profile for Kanishka   Click Here to Email Kanishka     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Kanishka's Later Hoplite Greeks defeated Bill's Antigonids in Palestine 4-1.

Bill sent his psiloi out front, but the more numerous Greek javelinmen forced them to flee. This exposed the flank of the elephant corps - the javelinmen darted in and out of the woods, tormenting hte great beasts. Unable to catch the nimble Greeks, the elephant crews fled the table.

The psiloi had their danders up now, and attacked the Antigonid general in front and flank....but hteir luck was not to hold, and many were forced to flee off hteside of the battlefield.

In hte mean time the main body of hte phlanx marched over the hill. But with their psiloi, elephants and the general missing from the flank, the Greeks were able to lap around and win the battle.

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posted May 14, 2000 19:31     Click Here to See the Profile for young stan   Click Here to Email young stan     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

39 v 26 Dusty the Mighty.
4-0 to Young Stan, confirmed by Dusty.
Adjust to 4-1 ( SOD/BOD Bug )

Stan..

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Nightmere's Early Ptolemaic's schooled my Antigonids on what can be done with a Successor army when you get the right movement pips. A classic single envelopment and all I could do was stand and watch with my mouth open in amazement! Score was 6-1 with no general lost. Great game, Nightmere!

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posted May 13, 2000 16:09     Click Here to See the Profile for Kanishka   Click Here to Email Kanishka     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Kanishka's Thracians overcame Dusty the Mighty's Illyrians 5-4 in an epic struggle on the green hell.

Kanishka set up behind the hill and lake, with the river on his right. However much of the early game was set up moving the mercenary hoplites out of the way of the Wb.

Then there were the periodic absences of PIPs on both sides for turns on end.

Ultimately it looks like luck was the real winner on the day!

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posted May 11, 2000 07:11     Click Here to See the Profile for Kanishka   Click Here to Email Kanishka     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Kanishka's naked hordes of Libyan tribesmen were triumphant over Nightmere, puppet of the Ptolemaic pretenders, defeating the timeless enemy of our people 4:3 on the oasis map.

Nightmere's bodyguard Greek cavalry and light horse persued the Libyan chariot force for most of the game, leaving the pike and light troops to face the hordes of javelinmen. But hte pike had been spread thin, and so a group of fanatic tribesmen (Wb) smashed through - true they were then crushed by the Gallic mercenary counter attack, but the Gauls in turn were isolated and shot down by javelinmen they could not catch.

Too late Nightmere realised his mistake, brining his mounted troops back to the main battle. But the tribesmen would not be denied - they turned the flank of the phalanx, and many Greeks and cretans fled from the subsequent disorder!

I have to say that winnign with Libyans is a bit of a buzz - even if Pete couldn't figure out how to get his Lh off the road they lined up on to fight my chariot!! I told him as soon as he asked....but he reckoned he had been trying for 3 or 4 turns before then!!

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posted May 10, 2000 08:27     Click Here to See the Profile for Bill   Click Here to Email Bill     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Beto's Early Seleucids beat Bill's Antigonids 4-3 on the big desert hill. Beto deployed in three commands-fast/heavy (3kn+El-G)on his right and off the hill, 4Pk+El centered on the hill and fast/lights (Lh+2Ps)on the left and off the hill. I countered with a mobile group (Kn, Cv, LH, Aux, Ps) v.Beto's fast/heavies and 6Pk v. the lights. My camp was garrisoned by El since I didn't expect to be able to hold off the fast heavies too long.

The game really split into two phases, the death ride of my mobile group (Beto's combat rolls were nearly invincible) and the steady push of my phalanxes against Beto's lights.

Beto managed to knock out my cavalry, knight and light horse in return for 1 Kn. My pikes forced his LH and one Ps to flee.
My pikes kept pushing and eventually routed a Ps off the board and the LH almost off. I shifted my Aux and Ps onto the hill and with a lucky roll eliminated Beto's El. Score was now 3-3.

Luck bounced back and forth between us until Beto's Pikes got enough movement pips to force an overlap combat v.supported Pk on my aux. Even with Beto attacking uphill, the Gods were with him and he earned a well deserved victory.

A tremendously exciting game played mostly by mismatched forces (Pk v. skirmishers is not something I would recommend as a steady diet.) Thanks Beto!

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posted May 10, 2000 07:03     Click Here to See the Profile for young stan   Click Here to Email young stan     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
v Bill 38a lost 0-1G
v Futsu 38b lost 0-4
v Hammer 40 won 4-3
v Beto 41a lost 2-4
v Nightmare 42a lost 1-5
v Kanishka 27 lost 1-3
v Dusty 26 won 4-0 ( 4-1 SOD bug )
( Dusty thinks he played the wrong army, so has rechallenged. that game is at bound 2 )

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posted May 09, 2000 13:50     Click Here to See the Profile for Peter Munn   Click Here to Email Peter Munn     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

Futsukayoi (Eumenid 38b) beat Dusty the Mighty (Illyrian 26) 4:2G


The Eumenid general surveyed the barbarian host opposing him. Should make quick work of this lot he thought. No Elephants or Phalanx and loads of Aux and Ps on fairly open terrain.

The Illyrians rapidly upset his composure by racing 2 units of Ps across the maop into a clump of wood threatening the Eumenid right flank.

As the Eumenid host advanced the Ps attacked one unit flanking the Eumenid Knights. The move deserved better but the Ps overextended themselves and left the wood by a mere millimeter. This meant they were in the open and the Knights obligingly rode them down. Unsupported the other unit could not last long.

Some skirmishing on the other flank lost the Illyrians an Aux and the Eumenids a Ps.

Then came the clash in the centre. Pikes and elephants versus Aux and Warband surely no match. First Pikes pushed back warband. Then the two Generals clashed the Eumenid elephant mounted while the Illyrian fought with a unit of Aux. The Illyrians hurled javelins as the elephants approached and the Eumenids hesitated. The general admonished his companions "Don't worry the couldn't hit the side of a barn from theeeeeeree !!!" He rapidly died with a javelin between trhe eyes. The Eumenid army gasped but luckily the knights on the right flank had not seen what happened and rode down the opposition stealing the victory.

Thanks for a good game Dusty. I still think I had the better army on that terrain. But without the dead Ps you might have had me.


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posted May 07, 2000 21:06     Click Here to See the Profile for Bill   Click Here to Email Bill     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Dusty's Midianite Arabs made fools of Bill's Antigonids and sacked their camp to boot. Score was 4C-0. We didn't really want that desert anyway.
At least our general gets to go back and explain himself to One-Eye. I'm sure he'll understand. (Crucifixion is a Roman thing, right?)

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posted May 07, 2000 20:39     Click Here to See the Profile for Mike at work   Click Here to Email Mike at work     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
It must just be a problem with my machine at home - it's OK from work.

So don't worry about it - I'll have to do some surgery somewhere!

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posted May 07, 2000 10:45     Click Here to See the Profile for David Kuijt   Click Here to Email David Kuijt     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I must confess, I'm baffled. Any web gurus have an idea? I really don't want to change to black and white if I can avoid it; I think the colours are a more effective way of transmitting that information (except for Mike )

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posted May 07, 2000 09:44     Click Here to See the Profile for Peter Munn   Click Here to Email Peter Munn     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Re the problem Kanishka has with the web site. It is fine when I look at it can see the blue, red and green as before.

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posted May 07, 2000 05:26     Click Here to See the Profile for Kanishka   Click Here to Email Kanishka     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by David Kuijt:
Huhn? What are you talking about, Mike? I've been doing things exactly this way since the beginning. Victories are in blue, losses in red, and the number is the total points garnered in that battle (-1, 0, +1, +2, or +3).

All I can see are red -1's and 0's - every other game is a green "??". I used to see the others, but now I don't. I've tried refreshing and deleting cached files several times to no avail.

It's the same on all 3 boards (although I'm only in sections 1 & 3).

Hence I wondered if you'd decided to change things.

Evidently not. Has anyone else got the same problem?

Mike

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posted May 07, 2000 01:01     Click Here to See the Profile for Beto   Click Here to Email Beto     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Nigthmere (42a) crushes my poor seleucids 4-0. He outmanouvered and outthinked my army and had a well deserved victory.

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posted May 06, 2000 20:08     Click Here to See the Profile for David Kuijt   Click Here to Email David Kuijt     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Originally posted by Kanishka:
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BTW - I note that the web page no longer shows any wins - did I miss a policy change?

Huhn? What are you talking about, Mike? I've been doing things exactly this way since the beginning. Victories are in blue, losses in red, and the number is the total points garnered in that battle (-1, 0, +1, +2, or +3).

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Kanishka and his indias teched me a good lesson of not getting close to a man with a Bow killing all my pikes to a devastating 4-0 win. No seleucid will ever attempt to invade his empire.

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Kaniska's Indians crushed Beto's Early Seleucids 4-0 on the Big Desert Hill.

The Seleucid pike and psiloi were mown down by massed archery - only a single pike making contact, pushing back an archer and hten being ganged up on by 3! Having a single rank of pike in front of the elephants didn't help either - pike can't recoil through elephants, so die instead!!

BTW - I note that the web page no longer shows any wins - did I miss a policy change?

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Bill (38a-Antigonid) beat Young Stan (39-Lysimachid) 1G-0 in 24 bounds on Green Hell. Young Stan was plagued with low movement pips throughout the game and the plague became fatal in his first combat roll when his Kn general fell to light horse with pike flankers. Thanks for the game Young Stan.

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In a disgraceful battle Eumenes army (38b Futsukayoi ) flee the field as the general was killed by the Selucids (41a). Final score 1G-0. I really get good dice this one!!!!

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Hammer(40) Early Macedonian Successor beat Bill (38a) Antigonid 4G-3 in 27 bounds on the Autumn map. Hammer's decisive use of his light troops was the key to his victory in this close fought game. Thanks for the game Hammer.

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Futsukayoi (38b Eumenid) beat Nightmere (42a Ptolomaic). DBAOL reported score was 4:2 but should be adjusted to 4:3 due to BOD bug.

Thanks for a superb game very close and tense.

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Hammer (40) beat me quite well, sacked my camp and destroyed 5 units while i destroyed 4 of his units. He has a well deserved victory.

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In a much closer game than the score suggests Futsukayoi (38b Eumenid) beat Young Stan (39 Lysimachid) 4G:0

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posted April 30, 2000 08:12     Click Here to See the Profile for Peter Munn   Click Here to Email Peter Munn     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Futsukayoi 38b Eumenid vs Kanishka 27 Thracian.

Futsukayoi wins 4G:3

This is becoming a habit. Again the game was tied 3:3 after a strong flanking move by the Thracians through woods and rough terrain paused for breath not far short of the Eumenid camp. The Thracian general was spotted on a hill trying to signal and promptly charged and killed by cavalry and Ps.

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Kanishka's Thracians (27) got one against the odds against Young Stan's Lysimachid (40).

On the boggy map Kanishka spent lots of PIPs rearranging his line to get hte best matches, while Stan advanced to get the advantage of the hill.

The matches ended up as more important than the slope, with Thracian light cavalry killing Stan himself in the final combat.

Score 3G:1 to Kanishka

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posted April 29, 2000 22:49     Click Here to See the Profile for WMelnick   Click Here to Email WMelnick     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
2 results:

Army 40(Hammer) defeated 42a(Nightmere) by a score of 4G - 2, thanks to a dancing elephant who managed to track down and kill a Lh then turn the enemy flank.

Army 40(Hammer) defeated 41a(Beto) 7C - 4 in a wild won where a captured and held camp was the decisive blow.

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Originally posted by David Kuijt:
No Generals killed in either battle, I assume?


That is correct. Although I am sure they all led from the front.

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posted April 25, 2000 17:17     Click Here to See the Profile for David Kuijt   Click Here to Email David Kuijt     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi Section 3;

Dusty the Mighty has accepted the prestigious post of Enemy 1 in your section. You may challenge him immediately. This completes the section; you guys are rolling.

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posted April 25, 2000 14:37     Click Here to See the Profile for David Kuijt   Click Here to Email David Kuijt     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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2 game results

No Generals killed in either battle, I assume?

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2 game results

Futsukayoi 38b vs Bill 38a
Futsukayoi wins 6:3

The score gives little indication of how the game went. The initial skirmishing went my way and especially with a lucky roll to kill a light horse on my weak flank things were looking good and I was up 2:0 and threatening on my right flank. Then everything changed as Bill's phalanx hit home and demolished my centre. The game was at 3:3 and stayed that way for a seeming eternity as we each hoped for a good dice roll to finish it. Eventually I got the (very) lucky roll as a unit of Ps charged uphill into his camp and despite very poor odds chased out the defenders for a further 3 points. An extremely close game which I did not expect to win.


38b Futsukayoi vs 40 Hammer
Futsukayoi wins 4:3

Another close game. In this one the BOD bug reared it's ugly head. I couldn't quite work out what happened but suspect it was in my favour.

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posted April 19, 2000 20:54     Click Here to See the Profile for David Kuijt   Click Here to Email David Kuijt     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi all;

Go ahead and start Section 3. The slot for Enemies 1 is still open, so you won't be able to start those battles yet, but if nobody takes it by early next week Dusty promised to fill it at that time.

Post results for Section 3 here.

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